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| 17 Mar 2024 | ||
| * I am also not sure when it was decided to move reference documentation out of the source it is related to. I think this was mistake. I just took a look at this file: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix It appears all doc-comments where removed from the code. Regardless we still have nixdoc to retrieve doc-comments and it was extended recently. So wiring should only be a question of adding more files to the index. | 16:04:32 | |
| Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki: See https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/294944, I wouldn't call it being moved out of the source. Rather it was dedulicated in one place | 17:04:42 | |
| I'd also favor having it in the source code, but not having duplicated docs is more important than that | 17:05:27 | |
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.orgI'd like moving those back into the source code until we have a working system that allows to track external documents, so we dont loose track of the reference documentation. Maybe i'll open a PR soonish. More importantly we should work on reference tracking for those that are moved already. | 18:39:15 | |
In reply to @infinisil:matrix.org* I'd like moving those back into the source code until we have a working system that allows to track external documents, so we dont loose track of the reference documentation. More importantly we should work on reference tracking for those that are moved already. Maybe i'll open a PR soonish. | 18:39:31 | |
| * I'd like moving those back into the source code until we have a working system that allows to track external documents, so we dont loose track of the reference documentation. More importantly we should work on reference tracking for those that are moved already. Maybe i'll open a PR with a proposed solution soonish. | 18:40:41 | |
| With tracked references we'd be able to tell which funcions are undocumented or report breakages if functions change without updating documentation | 18:42:40 | |
| Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki: I feel like you talked about this before, but what do you mean by reference tracking exactly? | 18:46:12 | |
| infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling) | 20:12:41 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling) | 20:13:21 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to refences of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling) | 20:14:51 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling) | 20:15:33 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling) | 20:15:43 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore) | 20:16:04 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URL as well as the internal "tags", that could also be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem) But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore) | 20:17:15 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the internal "tags", that could also be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem) But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore) | 20:17:29 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the available "tags", that could be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem) But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore) | 20:17:52 | |
| * infinisil: Roughly tracking the following relations:
For each of those we should have some kind of solution. fricklerhandwerk Brought TagRef (concept) to me, which i really like because of its simplicity. (Can solve 2. / maybe 3.) For 1. we have the RFC145 but may need additional extensions for something like: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/b286b8df1c0ecff4baa44a7224282aeccc6695c2/pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders/default.nix#L29 Then for 3. I imagine that every of our manuals could export sitemaps (https://www.sitemaps.org/de/protocol.html) Which could be used in conjunction with TagRef. (Imagine every manual exports its available URLs as well as the available "tags", that could be referenced from elsewhere in the nix ecosystem) But regarding this topic i was mainly refering to references of 1. because moving doc-comments out of the source without replacement leaves the code-side of those references untracked. (We don't relly properly track them yet) But its a nice property we kind of "destroyed" here. (At least for automated tooling we cannot create backlinks here anymore) | 20:20:16 | |
| 20:43:02 | ||
| Perhaps there is a simpler explanation of the matter. But so far I haven't managed to formulate it so that it's easier to understand. Feel free to help me 😃 | 21:03:58 | |
| Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki: the problem this tries to solve doesn't seem to have an English term. German: Medienbruch, French: Rupture de média - loosely translated "media discontinuity". Which is that you have information in different substrates that belongs together but there is some annoying technical barrier in between. | 21:40:14 | |
| Source comments are just character sequences, but you're trying to point to a web document, which in turn is compiled from characters somewhere else, etc. | 21:41:14 | |
| @Johannes Kirschbauer @hsjobeki like how haskell's docs do it? all the types and whatnot in the source view in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/src/Control.Arrow.html#Arrow are clickable and whatnot | 21:43:18 | |
| 18 Mar 2024 | ||
| 00:39:43 | ||
In reply to @qyriad:katesiria.orgit's done by evil shit but we could instrument a Nix evaluator. also fyi as someone who worked on that it works even better locally on nixpkgs haskell because cross library references work in the source view :)) | 03:57:15 | |
| (actually i wonder if nixd already contains the necessary technology) | 04:01:47 | |
In reply to @johannes.kirschbauer:scs.ems.hostI am thinking of the functions in this file: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/8f0d434c23d2ae84d0bf32622358361ade96d077/pkgs/build-support/writers/scripts.nix#L402 | 07:15:42 | |
| I think they do. I also started a minimal project that does only the reference tracking https://github.com/hsjobeki/flutsch by value introspection | 07:30:53 | |
| * I think nixd does. I also started a minimal project that does only the reference tracking https://github.com/hsjobeki/flutsch by value introspection | 07:31:59 | |
| jade_: | 07:32:09 | |