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16 Mar 2024
infinisil	ryantm: Oh and `nix-build pkgs/top-level/release.nix -A manual` is for the Nixpkgs manual	05:12:08
ryantm	That one would be a more fair comparison since I render the entire nixpkgs manual (also with a search index)	05:13:21
ryantm	[ryantm@replit1:~/p/nixpkgs]$ /run/current-system/sw/bin/time nix-build --check pkgs/top-level/release.nix -A manual trace: warning: lib.zipWithNames is a deprecated alias of lib.zipAttrsWithNames. checking outputs of '/nix/store/3jsvqqgpj2qfbkj2y82w4ac4nnf2g5px-nixpkgs-manual.drv'... Running phase: unpackPhase unpacking source archive /nix/store/sn18ydylvr7jsxbhj2yndh9y2s3z55mv-doc source root is doc Running phase: patchPhase Running phase: updateAutotoolsGnuConfigScriptsPhase Running phase: configurePhase no configure script, doing nothing Running phase: buildPhase substituteStream(): WARNING: '--replace' is deprecated, use --replace-{fail,warn,quiet}. (file './manual.md.in') Running phase: installPhase Running phase: fixupPhase shrinking RPATHs of ELF executables and libraries in /nix/store/m94bxwbilm1hh0dzk53qs7zvdr1vwsps-nixpkgs-manual checking for references to /build/ in /nix/store/m94bxwbilm1hh0dzk53qs7zvdr1vwsps-nixpkgs-manual... patching script interpreter paths in /nix/store/m94bxwbilm1hh0dzk53qs7zvdr1vwsps-nixpkgs-manual /nix/store/m94bxwbilm1hh0dzk53qs7zvdr1vwsps-nixpkgs-manual 0.60user 0.18system 0:02.19elapsed 36%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 174568maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+39903minor)pagefaults 0swaps	05:14:26
ryantm	Very similar times!	05:15:03
ryantm	Good on you making it that fast with Python :)	05:16:48
ryantm	Looks like it builds an epub and a single page manual. mmdoc is building a multipage, singlepage, man, epub, and search index, but yeah, maybe pretty close overall speed wise.	05:18:04
infinisil	Yeah and closure sizes are also comparable (70MB vs 200MB)	05:22:36
ryantm	Oh wait, I don't think that time is apples to apples: [ryantm@replit1:~/p/nixpkgs]$ /run/current-system/sw/bin/time nix-build --check pkgs/top-level/release.nix -A manual.inputDerivation trace: warning: lib.zipWithNames is a deprecated alias of lib.zipAttrsWithNames. this derivation will be built: /nix/store/j622rlm0k013mmspbzgkqgd4zl12vvvd-nixpkgs-manual.drv error: some outputs of '/nix/store/j622rlm0k013mmspbzgkqgd4zl12vvvd-nixpkgs-manual.drv' are not valid, so checking is not possible Command exited with non-zero status 1 0.59user 0.18system 0:01.53elapsed 50%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 174980maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+39908minor)pagefaults 0swaps [ryantm@replit1:~/p/nixpkgs]$ nix path-info --recursive --closure-size --human-readable ./result /nix/store/m94bxwbilm1hh0dzk53qs7zvdr1vwsps-nixpkgs-manual 2.0M	05:22:56
ryantm	The manual is already built as the inputDerivation to that derivation.	05:23:37
ryantm	Nix is so hard to benchmark with the all the caching and indirection.	05:24:40
infinisil	ryantm: Not sure what you mean, I'm pretty sure `nix-build --check pkgs/top-level/release.nix -A manual` is the actual build, it's not just a dependency	05:25:23
infinisil	And the command you pasted failed	05:25:33
ryantm	Ah yeah, oops. Okay.	05:25:53
infinisil	(gotta build without `--check` first.. yeah not a great interface)	05:25:58
ryantm	Redacted or Malformed Event	05:26:59
ryantm	Updated the gist again. Looks like the nixpkgs closure is bigger, but the nixpkgs closure matters less.	05:28:28
infinisil	Could you post the results in the github issue? I'm overall not very convinced that this is worth it though 😅	05:29:31
infinisil	* Could you post the results in the github issue (ideally a nice markdown table with the numbers)? I'm overall not very convinced that this is worth it though 😅	05:29:46
ryantm	Yeah there's a lot of hate for C.	05:30:00
ryantm	and your thing is already working mostly, though not multipage.	05:30:23
ryantm	Seems reasonable not to switch.	05:30:26
infinisil	I feel kind of bad, you worked on this for so long 😅	05:31:07
ryantm	I'll take down my multipage manual when we publish official ones.	05:31:08
ryantm	No big deal, I still love the project independent of Nix accepting it.	05:31:34
ryantm	I use it for all my projects and blogs and stuff.	05:31:44
ryantm	I love the easy interface with no config I came up with.	05:31:59
@jade_:matrix.org	In reply to @ryantm:matrix.org and your thing is already working mostly, though not multipage. I've been told the code is literally there for it, though. so we seem to need to do some wiring.	07:41:14
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fricklerhandwerk	In reply to @rina/:matrix.org i am starting to see that. though, i do not mind pitching in where i can :) What would you be interested in taking a closer look at? It would also help knowing what you may have had experience with already, to find something that won’t overwhelm or frustrate you too quickly. Feel free to DM me if you don’t want this public. Not everything needed to get started is written down nicely yet, so I can offer a brief guided tour of the various construction sites.	14:06:41

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