| 25 Aug 2024 |
 flare | however 7816-15 describes how the internal data structure of the smartcard is to be laid out and access.
I havent read into this specific part too much as to whether specifically defines crypto tokens but either way it describes a file like data structure on smart cards
However no smart card has to follow BOTH. Memory cards are Just EEPROMs that connect to the contact interface specified in 7816-4. But dont provide any crypto circuity. So, not useful as a token.
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| flare | so to have a smart card for crypto purposes you need to have a 7816-4 smart card with 7816-15 OR* pkcs#15 (crypto specific file system spec for smart card tokens).
All fine and dandy. apparently its impossible to find those cards that provide full pkcs#15 compliance so that they can be programmed by opensc. You usually find cards that only impliment partially pkcs#15 and the rest of how data is stored is left up to the manufacturer.
This is because FIPS 201 and SP 800-73 (US Government standards for ID smart card crypto tokens) Leave the internal data structure of the smart cards up to the manufacturuers
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| flare | so in conclusion | 17:01:43 |
| flare | its one hell of a muddled mess. and If you want the exact same solution that is easy and nice to use. Get a yubikey | 17:02:16 |
| flare | Fun fact: You debit or credit card is also a smart card that follows these standards as a crypto token. Just its own decades long mess there | 17:03:21 |
| flare | * Fun fact: Your debit or credit card is also a smart card that follows these standards as a crypto token. Just its own decades long mess there | 17:03:29 |
| flare | * Fun fact: Your debit or credit card is also a smart card if it has a chip and that follows these standards as a crypto token. Just its own decades long mess there | 17:03:59 |
| flare | * its one hell of a muddled mess. and If you want the exact same solution that is easy and nice to use. *Get a yubikey instead* | 17:04:32 |
| flare | * its one hell of a muddled mess. and If you want the exact same solution that is easy and nice to use. **Get a yubikey instead** | 17:04:44 |
| flare | For me in the US I had a hell of a time finding a card that is fully compliant with these open standards and avoids vendor lock in. However for those in Europe there is hope
https://webservices.aventra.fi/webshop/index.php?route=product/category&path=60
Here you can get iso 7816 form factor smart cards that are fully compliant with open standard pkcs#15. Which means there is no need for proprietary software managed on windows.
a beautiful thing. Just for each card for me postage would make one card cost me $70. So not so great for me. Possible good for yall in europe | 17:09:06 |
| flare | * For me in the US I had a hell of a time finding a card that is fully compliant with these open standards and avoids vendor lock in. However for those in Europe there is hope
https://webservices.aventra.fi/webshop/index.php?route=product/category&path=60
Here you can get iso 7816 form factor smart cards that are fully compliant with open standard pkcs#15. Which means there is no need for proprietary software managed on windows.
a beautiful thing. Just for me postage would make one card cost me $70. So not so great for me. Possibly good for y'all in europe | 17:09:49 |
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| aaron | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/274052 any way to get the draupnir package unstuck? Given it's the same build as mjolnir seems like this one is mired in PR-hell. | 17:08:54 |
