| 19 Mar 2025 |
 steveej | maybe the systemd folks are open to implementing the gap. i'd be surprised as there doesn't seem to be much demand for systemd-nspawn in general | 10:14:53 |
 ElvishJerricco | systemd-nspawn and systemd-vmspawn were designed first and foremost as tools to test an OS with, not so much a proper containerization / virtualization framework | 10:16:16 |
| ElvishJerricco | of course nspawn has evolved a lot since | 10:16:37 |
| ElvishJerricco | But yea I don't really understand why directory based nspawn isn't possible unprivileged. That really does seem like the easier thing to do unprivileged | 10:17:46 |
| ElvishJerricco | so I bet it just wasn't the priority of whoever implemented unprivileged operation so they didn't do it | 10:18:08 |
 magic_rb | Wouldnt it be better to just use runc for this? I do use nspawn but like, runc exists | 10:18:48 |
| ElvishJerricco | well, if you wanna rewrite the nixos containers system with runc then be my guest :) | 10:19:42 |
| magic_rb | :) might try tbh, when i finish my bachelor. I do kind of want a better system which would be declarative but not really. (Split the eval into parts but make sure everything updates in tandem) | 10:20:46 |
| steveej | i'm up for integrating a rust-based container runtime with nixos-containers, just in case i had to change something about it. | 10:21:14 |
| magic_rb | I dont think it would need any actual programming, if we were to bolt runc on the bottom | 10:21:49 |
| magic_rb | Just a healthy amount of nix and maybe some bash | 10:21:56 |
| magic_rb | Ill try to retarget my ucontainer thing i use to run NixNG containers on top of runc first tho | 10:22:30 |
| ElvishJerricco | do other container systems integrate as nicely with systemd as nspawn does? e.g. nspawn will use sd_notify to signal when the container is ready, so that you can order units after container@foo.service and have that mean the right thing | 10:24:37 |
| ElvishJerricco | or systemctl status container@foo.service shows you the unit hierarchy of the container | 10:24:51 |
