| 9 Dec 2025 |
 SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | Which with the current state of affairs is probably cheaper and more efficient 🤷 | 16:39:14 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | But mathematically still the same thing | 16:39:27 |
 tomberek | Anyone using impure derivations to explicitly have non-caching behavior? | 16:42:29 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | No, that's not really useful? | 17:07:37 |
| 10 Dec 2025 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | * No, that's not really useful?
Edit: we generally do want memoization (caching), as well as ability to deterministically name things in sentences "X succeeds (fails)". Just that so far we haven't included all relevant platform info in the derivation, so the equivalence classes are too big. It's one line fixable though
| 18:29:41 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | * No, that's not really useful?
Edit: we generally do want memoization (caching), as well as ability to deterministically name things in sentences "X succeeds (fails)". Just that so far we haven't included all relevant platform info in the derivation, so the equivalence classes are too big. It's one line fixable though
Impure derivations just add sandboxing that needs to be bypassed, and a scheduler that is more of a liability
| 18:30:29 |
 Ari Lotter | hm looks like vllm fails to build because outlines has a test that imports libcuda.so on collection.. | 22:03:19 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/465751#issuecomment-3604113652 | 23:30:45 |
 apyh | hahaha you're already ahead of me! | 23:31:20 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | Gaetan has been on it | 23:32:00 |
| apyh | yeah, seems like there's a clear path to patch / upstream a fix to llama cpp python to make it lazy | 23:33:22 |
| apyh | btw i posted logs about that torch nvrtc thing | 23:33:36 |
| 11 Dec 2025 |
 Gaétan Lepage | Yes, but it's not as straightforward as they initialize some top-level constants at module import time with the content of the loaded library...
I still think that it would be the best solution to this issue. | 09:19:45 |
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| 13 Dec 2025 |
 kaya 𖤐 | I recently found about a feature just for this: pkgsCuda
Could be the right thing for you. | 23:06:15 |
| 14 Dec 2025 |
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| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | Not an official team stance, but personally I hope we deprecate it soon enough | 15:32:40 |
| SomeoneSerge (back on matrix) | Yes! | 15:33:21 |
| 15 Dec 2025 |
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| pdealbera | Hi! I am encountering this issue when using the CUDA cache for NixOS, it probably an issue on my end but wanted to know if anybody encounter the same thing because it was working just hours ago:
warning: error: unable to download 'https://cache.nixos-cuda.org/mhf691zwwjrqi8b6an14pblyqbzwn1v2.narinfo': Could not connect to server (7) Failed to connect to cache.nixos-cuda.org port 443 after 6 ms: Could not connect to server; retrying in 258 ms
| 02:47:07 |
 hexa (UTC+1) | looks up from here | 02:47:37 |
| hexa (UTC+1) | might be a transient path issue | 02:47:46 |
| pdealbera | Did you reproduced the same issue? | 02:49:57 |
| hexa (UTC+1) | ❯ curl https://cache.nixos-cuda.org/mhf691zwwjrqi8b6an14pblyqbzwn1v2.narinfo
missed hash⏎
| 02:55:27 |
| pdealbera | Thanks! Not the same thing, I can't reach the host:
❯ curl https://cache.nixos-cuda.org/mhf691zwwjrqi8b6an14pblyqbzwn1v2.narinfo
curl: (7) Failed to connect to cache.nixos-cuda.org port 443 after 675 ms: Could not connect to server
| 02:59:52 |
| pdealbera | But that means its probably a thing on my end. | 03:00:06 |
| hexa (UTC+1) | the server is hosted in helsinki at hetzner fwiw | 03:01:23 |
 connor (burnt/out) (UTC-8) | Slightly off topic but for those of you who use Hydra or nix-eval-jobs with lots of eval time fetchers or substitution, you may be interested in some WIP I’ve been doing to improve that use case https://gist.github.com/ConnorBaker/9e31d3b08ff6d4ac841928412131fe15 | 09:42:32 |
| connor (burnt/out) (UTC-8) | 
Download Numbers from doing a shallow eval (not forcing recursion) of Haskell.nix’s hydraJobs which has a number of flake inputs (and I think also does IFD?) | 09:46:39 |
