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20 May 2026
@connorbaker:matrix.orgconnor (burnt/out) (UTC-8)If you're able to poke at the gpu-burn PR I'd appreciate it. I've been running benchmarks with https://github.com/ConnorBaker/nix/tree/vibe-coding/optimise-and-gc-throughput-baseline-bench-rig-616df9797 and https://github.com/ConnorBaker/nix/tree/vibe-coding/optimise-and-gc-throughput before submitting PRs upstream to parallelize/make faster store optimise and gc. They've been running for two days and I don't want to fully load the system while it's doing that.05:23:23
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage

Thanks Prayag Bhakar for your suggestions.
At the time, our CI capacity only allows us to build ~10% of our "target jobsets" for x86_64 alone.
This means that cross-building for aarch64 is definitely not feasible with the current hardware.

We are actively working in the background to secure "sponsorships" and get a legitimate compute capacity, but this is not done yet.
Supporting Jetson architectures is definitely on the list of things we would like to do, but we are way too much hardware-bound for it.

08:34:33
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar I see, thanks for the input connor (burnt/out) (UTC-8) Gaétan Lepage just to clarify a few things for my understanding (1) This is only a blocker for updating the cuda infra pipeline, right? Or is this also a blocker for updating Nixpkgs to properly support aarch64? (2) How does the current infra work? Is its machines hosted by volunteers/maintainers? I'm trying to understand what "legitimate compute capacity means" and if solution B or C would be viable 13:18:50
@ss:someonex.netSomeoneSerge (matrix works sometimes)

Hey, sorry for disappearing on the github ticket, v limited bandwidth currently.

The first and most important point, elaborating on Gaétan's reply: our infra currently lacks aarch64 builders, and frankly we as of now haven't even a fraction of the x8664 capacity that we need. We are currently working on securing proper funding for the hardware and for the general effort, and first and foremost for reducing the harm and the extra load that CUDA imposes on the rest of Nixpkgs maintainers. It's been in the works for almost two years now. Recently our entire team, including our new "manager" member @dhofer:matrix.org, has been fully dedicating to making this happen, but, while there's been some very modest progress, it's going to take a while before we start testing and caching Jetsons or in fact anything besides the vanilla x86-64-linux nixpkgs simply due to cashflow considerations. We are actively looking for companies willing to properly pay for the service of testing and keeping the Jetson ecosystem "green" & functional here upstream in Nixpkgs, but so far there's no ETAs for this specific effort. In our personal projects we normally use very different kind of hardware, so it's not a priority for any of the maintainers.

Regarding your other messages, just some clarifications:

  1. Binfmt/qemu is not "cross-compilation". Nixpkgs does have cross capabilities, albeit less stable than native builds, and we are also very interest in making cross compilation possible for CUDA projects (it currently isn't, mostly because nvidia is making it artificially hard), but it's not a priority for any of us, and we haven't found any interested customers or sponsors yet either.
  2. Binfmt builds in CI are indeed not impossible, and Connor and I had burned quite a bit of energy by trying them out in the old Hercules-based CI... It's been an incredible pain, besides also harming reproducibility and all. Jetsons without paying consumers and without our own research projects needing them is not something we'd want to spend our currently extremely limited and scarce compute on, I'm afraid.
  3. Re: the PR, as I mentioned we moved from nix-community infra to our own, and we had to temporarily pause consuming the release-cuda.nix file (which, though, remains the authoritative source, and which is also what's being built by Flox). I'd honestly rather first do the hard work of removing backendStdenv and config.cuda*, because then we wouldn't need to modify release-lib in this first place. That said, if this were a priority, we could hack jetsons in in the release-cuda file, e.g. to get them built by Flox (I forget if they do aarch64 though)

Now to what is a priority to us, fot example: I'm happy to brainstorm with anyone about how do we get rid of the backendStdenv thing and how to cleanly model coprocessors/accelerators in the elaborated-system structure, whether to make coprocessors part of a system "quadruple" (contrast to triple), and whether the specific cudaCapabilities and/or rocm gpuTargets should become a part of... well, I suppose, the system "polycule".
I know @lt1379:matrix.org and @tomberek:matrix.org , besides the CUDA Team have been pondering about the same questions.

18:22:16
@ss:someonex.netSomeoneSerge (matrix works sometimes)This too would be very welcome, but before we can make any use of that we need to secure the general aarch64 cpu build capacity!18:24:17
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar

no worries SomeoneSerge (matrix works sometimes) I'm grateful for any time folks are taking out of their day to help me out. I figured the conversation may be more fruitful in the matrix channel

Binfmt/qemu is not "cross-compilation"

ah, sorry I was under the impression it was close enough. Since option A is off the table, do options B and C have any legs? I understand that there is a process to secure more compute, but can that compute come from volunteers like me? From my understanding even with just a Jetson nano, it can start compiling other aarch64 packages until more capable compute is secured

Now to what is a priority to us,

oh I see, so have the GPU definitions be part of the core hostPlatform instead of treated like added on accelerators. Does this mean there are plans to also add core hostPlatform support for other accelerators like TPUs and FPGAs? Is there someplace I can read up on this body of work and try to figure out how I can help? I'm happy to scrap my PR if there is a more established north start being pursued by the team

22:56:23
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage

While a Jetson can indeed build packages for aarch64-linux, having a single one would not enable anything.
The amount of (decently fast) ARM cores needed to start enabling aarch64-linux jobsets on hydra.nixos-cuda.org is ~64 at the very extreme minimum.

We appreciate the proposition, but until we get access to something resembling a serious build capacity for this platform, we won't spend time supporting it.

23:00:50
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag BhakarI see, so at the minimum targeting the $5k budget hardware range with Ampere Altra or an Apple M Series Mac (probably also need Asahi Linux). Is there a donation target/pool for this goal? 23:59:21
21 May 2026
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar* I see, so at the minimum targeting the $5k budget hardware range with Ampere Altra or a used/refurbished Apple M Series Mac (probably also need Asahi Linux). Is there a donation target/pool for this goal? 00:11:20
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar* I see, so at the minimum targeting the $5k budget hardware range with Ampere Altra Dev Box/Server or a used/refurbished Apple M Series Mac (probably also need Asahi Linux). Is there a donation target/pool for this goal? 00:14:07
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage Thanks once again for proposing to help.
Yes, Ampere altra is a solution. Mac + Asahi less so as we want to avoid hacking stuff around more than necessary.
We will be sharing a detailed list of what systems we are looking to get for our CI. However, the budget range is more enterprise-scale than individual-donation scale.
As mentionned before, we're strenghtening our collaboration with companies which are interested to help us on this front.
I hope to be able to update you on our infra soon.
07:45:54
@ss:someonex.netSomeoneSerge (matrix works sometimes)/me goes on to dream about an Asahi cluster for reproducibility studies12:36:34
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar

got it. is there anything I can help with? Sounds like there's an ongoing effort to refactor hostPlatform to be a "polycule". Is there anything I can do there?

I have a lot of machines with Nvidia GPUS that I use nix & nixOS with, so I would still like to help improve the system https://prayag.bhakar.org/000-00-0000/apollo-server.jpg

14:39:34
@marmar22:tchncs.deMarmar Hello, I find that the binary cache doesn't have one for cudaPackages.libnvshmem on my system, which resorts to building from source which I don't have the resources to. Hydra says that the package is there, so I'm not sure on that. Exact name of the package is/nix/store/4nzqdwc370may1ilz6zyy34ym16jlqvn-cuda12.9-libnvshmem-3.6.5-0.drv 15:14:03
@yorik.sar:matrix.orgyorik.sarDoes Asahi work on M2? We could get a Mac Pro that nobody needs for relatively cheap ;)15:23:44
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan LepageI'd rather use it to build/test packages on darwin16:23:08
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage staging-next was merged very recently into master, so our Hydra instance is probably catching up at this moment. 16:23:39
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17:37:08
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakarseems like folks have been able to compile Linux on Mac with a few patchs https://seiya.me/blog/building-linux-on-macos-natively17:37:41
@81reap:matrix.orgPrayag Bhakar

Does Asahi work on M2?

also yes! https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support

18:20:25
24 May 2026
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@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (UTC+1)nixos-26.05 has been branched16:26:04
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (UTC+1)probably time to update the hydra jobsets16:26:12
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (UTC+1)https://isaiprofitable.com/ lmao16:40:49
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (UTC+1)well played, nvidia16:40:59
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan LepageYup, will do.19:30:48
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage https://github.com/nixos-cuda/hydra-jobsets/pull/31 20:13:09
27 May 2026
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage

If anyone has a decent modern GPU to test the flash-attention tests, please ping me.
The CUDA team's infra is not sufficent:

python3.13-flash-attention> FAILED tests/losses/test_cross_entropy.py::test_cross_entropy_loss[128256-0.9-0.7-True-0.01-True-False-dtype2] - torch.OutOfMemoryError: CUDA out of memory. Tried to allocate 1002.00 MiB. GPU 0 has a total capacity of 19.55 GiB of which 360.38 MiB is free. Including non-PyTorch memory, this process has 19.19 GiB memory in use. Of the allocated memory 18.10 GiB is allocated by PyTorch, and 925.39 MiB is reserved by PyTorch but unallocated. If reserved but unallocated memory is large try setting PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True to avoid fragmentation.  See documentation for Memory Management  (https://docs.pytorch.org/docs/stable/notes/cuda.html#optimizing-memory-usage-with-pytorch-cuda-alloc-conf)

Thanks in advance for your generosity

15:24:45
@berrij:fairydust.spaceBerriJWould an RTX 6000 Pro with 96GB VRAM be okay? If yes I could run these test but I would need relatively detailed instructions. I'm running a flake based system based on nixos-unstable and I'm running the "latest" Nvidia drivers.15:49:37
@glepage:matrix.orgGaétan Lepage

I'm pretty sure that would fit. Thanks a lot!

You'd need to add the following to your config:

      programs.nix-required-mounts = {
        enable = true;
        presets.nvidia-gpu.enable = true;
      };

Then

nix build github:GaetanLepage/nixpkgs/flash-attn#python3Packages.flash-attn.gpuCheck --cores 10
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