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6 Apr 2024
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb
In reply to @hellerbarde:fairydust.space
How so? That seems like a lot. But then again, I dont know the law in Germany.

303a StGB should you want to read up on German criminal law ;)

Already got it confirmed by phone as applicable, need to walk over and bring them the evidence (I fear they will print it all instead of doing it digitally)

11:17:15
@0x4a6f:matrix.org[0x4A6F]
In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
Rollback script finished just now.
Will need to check if it took care of all changes or if manual afterwork is required (e.g., if normal edits came afterwards)
There it has begun: https://nixos.wiki/index.php?title=Julia&oldid=11521
11:42:38
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.space Appreciate the reference but nah, I'm not interested.
Also, from a personal perspective, I think the law everywhere is woefully stupid for web things. In my opinion, the mere fact that it can be applied doesn't make it a morally good thing to engage the law. But that is totally subjective and your decision.
11:42:46
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.space
In reply to @0x4a6f:matrix.org
There it has begun: https://nixos.wiki/index.php?title=Julia&oldid=11521
Uuuuuggghh...
11:43:12
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.spaceWhat timing. If this is gonna be an automated edit war, that I would consider harassment and worthy of turning towards the authorities.11:45:31
@eyjhb:eyjhb.dk@eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
In reply to @hellerbarde:fairydust.space
What timing. If this is gonna be an automated edit war, that I would consider harassment and worthy of turning towards the authorities.
Wasn't that just a edit that didn't get rolled back?
12:06:45
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenbthe begun was meant as "here it started". At least this is how I read it.12:09:31
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb
In reply to @hellerbarde:fairydust.space
Appreciate the reference but nah, I'm not interested.
Also, from a personal perspective, I think the law everywhere is woefully stupid for web things. In my opinion, the mere fact that it can be applied doesn't make it a morally good thing to engage the law. But that is totally subjective and your decision.

It is okay if we differ on this. Part of life ;)

If it was someone with the intention of being helpful but "misguided" I'd deal with it differently.
Where I draw the line is that this person knowingly did something they expected to be not ok. The person was called out by other people on discourse already

12:11:57
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb Btw discourse, is there some magic URL to use it without loads of Javascript that fetches content in an irratic manner?
Usability is horrible on unstable connections
12:13:08
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb

I did a search and could not find any CURRENT page with the message still on it (at least not with a link).

Note for later: The '--bot' parameter of the maintenance script does not actually tag the mass edits as bot 🤷‍♂️

12:14:55
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenbAnd in the admin channel I just started a thread on whether we will, at least for a while, simply block linking to wiki.nixos.org. I feel this is a a bit to strong and cross linking between resources would be hindered which is for sure not the goal.12:16:39
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.space
In reply to @eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
Wasn't that just a edit that didn't get rolled back?
Oh, my bad! I'm on the phone, i must have misread or mistapped
12:30:55
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.space
In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
And in the admin channel I just started a thread on whether we will, at least for a while, simply block linking to wiki.nixos.org. I feel this is a a bit to strong and cross linking between resources would be hindered which is for sure not the goal.

I understand this intention. And it is your prerogative on your page.

But just like I will argue with people in the other channel if they propose blocking links to your wiki (though for a different reason...), I would love it if we could find a different solution to prevent this type of vandalism on your wiki.

12:34:18
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb Ack. I would not want to do that longterm for any website that is not clearly malicious. More as a hotfix while it is properly handled 12:59:52
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb We have moderation for external links under discussion for a while though even within admin team we have not found consensus yet 13:00:22
@crunch:kde.orgcrunchdoes this mean accessing the wiki through mullvad is gonna be banned again :/13:01:51
@hellerbarde:fairydust.space@hellerbarde:fairydust.space
In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
Ack. I would not want to do that longterm for any website that is not clearly malicious. More as a hotfix while it is properly handled
Understood. Can I suggest to clearly/publicly communicating both the reason and the scope/duration. Just to limit the conspiracy theory fodder. Maybe a note on the front page or something.
13:25:30
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb
In reply to @crunch:kde.org
does this mean accessing the wiki through mullvad is gonna be banned again :/

Unrelated to this, but yes.

We still see weekly attack (attempts) via Mullvad.
Mullvad claims to be unable to prevent this -> before it is broken for all users we are happy to not have mullvad users but still be able to serve the rest.

13:33:59
@crunch:kde.orgcrunch😔13:34:23
@crunch:kde.orgcrunchyeah the way mullvad works i doubt they'd be able to do anything13:35:40
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb
In reply to @crunch:kde.org
yeah the way mullvad works i doubt they'd be able to do anything
Initially, they actually offered to null route the wiki for all mullvad users (blocking on their end) but then they never responded again to the emails. So we went back to block their primary ASN and all related ones on Cloudflare.
13:37:03
@crunch:kde.orgcrunch
In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
Initially, they actually offered to null route the wiki for all mullvad users (blocking on their end) but then they never responded again to the emails. So we went back to block their primary ASN and all related ones on Cloudflare.
ultimately it's probably better that you block than they block but it's weird that they never responded
13:38:19
@fadenb:utzutzutz.netfadenb While I get how a vpn service works their response reeked of "not out problem that we facilitate crimes". Was personally very disappointed by their stance and how simply they declare nothing could be done.
Most other vpn services were MUCH better in that regard. (Same outcome but clear policies and process and still responding)
13:38:53
@crunch:kde.orgcrunchthat's a shame13:39:56
@crunch:kde.orgcrunchactually it looks like they switched their support email in february13:41:32
@crunch:kde.orgcrunchthat might have something to do with it13:41:35
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