| 2 Apr 2024 |
 lassulus | I can understand some frustration, but we tried to extend our hands many times and tried to actually help you in maintenance, but we sadly never got any answers, never any insights into the nature of the hosting and mostly ghosting on every question we had on the direction the wiki was taking. I don't have anything against you, but some people got burned and frustrated with the wiki experience and there was no way to alleviate their pain | 21:31:39 |
 @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
P: So, while this was now very adhoc and a bit less structured than I hoped it should give you somewhat of an overview I appreciate you taking the time to answer this in so much detail.
It sucks that you had/have to deal with the DOS attacks, the personal attacks, etc. I can only imagine how that feels. Im sorry that this happened. | 21:35:46 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | Having seen and read much drama in the open source communities over the last ~20 years, I see so many patterns here that repeat themselves over and over again. | 21:36:42 |
 fadenb | lassulus:
- never got any answers - To put it bluntly: That happens in life. You or your request are not the priority of others.
- never any insights into the nature of the hosting - Same here, apparently expecting that others spend time/energy on something you want.
- some people got burned and frustrated - Fair, does not change anything stated before; Now multiply this 100x in the other direction.
| 21:39:20 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | In reply to @lassulus:lassul.us
I can understand some frustration, but we tried to extend our hands many times and tried to actually help you in maintenance, but we sadly never got any answers, never any insights into the nature of the hosting and mostly ghosting on every question we had on the direction the wiki was taking. I don't have anything against you, but some people got burned and frustrated with the wiki experience and there was no way to alleviate their pain I can believe that both your account and fadenb's are completely true from your respective perspectives.
What a frustrating problem. If only we could all sit together on some couches and have a beverage or two. | 21:39:39 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | In reply to @fadenb:utzutzutz.net
lassulus:
- never got any answers - To put it bluntly: That happens in life. You or your request are not the priority of others.
- never any insights into the nature of the hosting - Same here, apparently expecting that others spend time/energy on something you want.
- some people got burned and frustrated - Fair, does not change anything stated before; Now multiply this 100x in the other direction.
People have gotten used to open source communities being curated carefully by community managers and marketing-savvy folk and it now feels frustrating when something takes a normal amount of time to come together. Especially for a purely (?) volunteer-run community. | 21:43:49 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | Um, i forgot the point: thats a bad thing, btw. But it is where we are, I guess | 21:47:10 |
| lassulus | well the email was signed by most of the team of the wiki back then, it was not that it came from some outsider. | 21:48:13 |
| lassulus | I don't want to blame anything, I just want to tell how stuff happened and why the stuff is how it is now | 21:49:07 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | Didnt mean to apply that directly to you and your email. It is a kind of background radiation is what I meant. | 21:49:11 |
| lassulus | * I don't want to blame anyone, I just want to tell how stuff happened and why the stuff is how it is now | 21:49:16 |
| lassulus | ah sorry | 21:49:26 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | Yeah, i was being unclear | 21:49:36 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | My bad, am on the phone. ^^ And tired now. | 21:49:55 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | Actually, I should go sleep. I was gonna add one more thing but I think i have to postpone that. | 21:50:33 |
| lassulus | yeah, lets take a break and the new wiki team will prepare a statement on the history. We thank fadenb for the maintenance of the wiki over all this years. Sometimes stuff doesn't work out though and things move on | 21:51:59 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | lassulus: i think you are doing a great job communicating too. And I do believe you. I just fear that it might have been too late because there was already so much mudslinging at the time. | 21:52:07 |
| @hellerbarde:fairydust.space | I will come back tomorrow. 😃 | 21:52:30 |
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 @colin:uninsane.org | FYI a new wiki user just crawled all the wiki articles and added a redirection warning to the other wiki | 09:46:35 |
| @colin:uninsane.org | https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Special:Contributions/MikiBot | 09:46:37 |
 [0x4A6F] | In reply to @colin:uninsane.org
FYI a new wiki user just crawled all the wiki articles and added a redirection warning to the other wiki Might correlate with following Person?
https://discourse.nixos.org/t/wiki-nixos-org-is-now-live/42570/48 | 11:28:12 |
| [0x4A6F] | * Might correlate with following Person?
https://discourse.nixos.org/t/wiki-nixos-org-is-now-live/42570/48
Might ask him to stop thIs, but I'm not logged into discourse. | 11:30:00 |
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