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7 Feb 2024
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusso sorry I may have gotten the room wrong20:04:29
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariustarget room is !EkIttzQthkJjeZNAnb:matrix.org20:04:43
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius hexa: you can demote actually the bot here 20:05:01
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusRedacted or Malformed Event20:05:26
@twin:nixos.parisTWIN❌ raitobezarius: Your update is too short and was not stored. This limitation was set-up to limit spam.20:05:27
@twin:nixos.parisTWIN❌ raitobezarius: Your update is too short and was not stored. This limitation was set-up to limit spam.20:05:33
@twin:nixos.parisTWIN 20:06:27
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusok now this is fixed, all that remains is to fix the sync event spec violation in conduit or matrix-nio20:06:33
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius hexa: we are ready for an experimentation phase now 20:09:11
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusthe sync event fix does not appear to me important20:09:26
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius
In reply to @hexa:lossy.network

TWIN: Dependency validation for Python Package will be restored after the next staging cycle on master. We expect a few breakages here and there, but clear error messages will be provided!

For missing propagatedBuildInputs you'll see

Checking runtime dependencies for pysml-0.1.1-py3-none-any.whl
  - aiohttp not installed

and for violated version constraints

Checking runtime dependencies for sphinx_prompt-1.6.0-py3-none-any.whl
  - sphinx==7.0.0 not satisfied by version 7.2.6

Use pythonRelaxDepsHook to relax version constraints on dependencies, or bump dependencies as needed!

do you want to try to resend this ^ or something else?
20:16:31
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@hexa:lossy.network@hexa:lossy.networkI think that has landed like a month ago 😄 20:17:22
@hexa:lossy.network@hexa:lossy.networkI have to think of new things20:17:29
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius:D20:17:35
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusI will draft a Discourse post to get attention20:17:49
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariushttps://discourse.nixos.org/t/call-for-testing-this-week-in-nixos/3946522:04:02
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius

TWIN: This week, sparked from a discussion to prompt the removal of scripted initrd networking where a call for feedback has been made in https://discourse.nixos.org/t/seeking-feedback-on-the-removal-of-scripted-initrd-networking-in-nixos/39457, we discussed with contributors in #dev:nixos.org at message https://matrix.to/#/!kjdutkOsheZdjqYmqp:nixos.org/$6e30z5pwbKIKXLTHs1eZwWkddMNrXgyoYc5NEIsW5zA?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev

A summary is that we notice that we don't have formal policies for deprecations in nixpkgs, we do not want to discuss tools or implementations of such things as we know plenty of them: RFC127 (unimplemented), NixOS module systems, lib.warn and more. We would like to focus and steer things towards a policy, we described our state of knowledge in https://pad.lassul.us/nixos-deprecation-cycle-theory.

Once we collect enough, we will move to a proposal in a PR and enact such a policy with the approval of contributors.

22:17:56
@twin:nixos.parisTWIN✅ Thanks for the report raitobezarius, I'll store your update!22:17:57
8 Feb 2024
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9 Feb 2024
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@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezarius

TWIN: This week, sparked from a discussion in the contribution channel https://matrix.to/#/!kjdutkOsheZdjqYmqp:nixos.org/$TyVnavWN3waTSaNOm0dT8V0q9Xmef0x1Tin-roaD_hU?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev about Musl https://musl.libc.org/, an alternative libc to glibc and its support in Nixpkgs.

I proposed as a takeaway https://matrix.to/#/!kjdutkOsheZdjqYmqp:nixos.org/$7lx9_zRf1xXuKv812u7ouhHLr0psuT3R-i7NEPvdQm8?via=nixos.org&via=matrix.org&via=nixos.dev that it would be interesting to see more CI checks in the form of passthru.tests.* on various relevant packages to https://spectrum-os.org/ which is a Nix-derivative operating system using Musl.

In addition to that, if troubles arise while supporting a package due to Musl tests, the group of folks in @NixOS/static could intervene and provide guidance on how to proceed.

Note that static builds in Nixpkgs are offered via static musl builds, this could be done using glibc but this infrastructure for static builds does not exist in nixpkgs. Moreover, according to the appendix in RFC 046 (https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/blob/master/rfcs/0046-platform-support-tiers.md), x86_64-linux + musl + gcc is a tier 3 platform. Static musl is a tier 4 platform on x86_64-linux.

If you want to see this change, please chime in the discussion and offer your help to the people working on musl in nixpkgs.

17:52:22
@twin:nixos.parisTWIN✅ Thanks for the report raitobezarius, I'll store your update!17:52:23
@raitobezarius:matrix.orgraitobezariusI should have probably included in the summary the concerns about cache size and build resources consumption17:55:46

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