| 27 Nov 2025 |
 Picnoir | I assume this message was about jellyfin-media-player? (joined the room around here, I don't have any further backlog) | 18:24:01 |
| Picnoir | I included your patch to the PR. | 18:24:12 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Yeah. It doesn’t like my server for some reason. | 18:45:30 |
| Randy Eckenrode | It works over the web and with Infuse though. | 18:46:39 |
| Picnoir | Hm, strange. | 18:47:19 |
| Picnoir | No logs in stdour/err? | 18:47:26 |
 samasaur | Randy Eckenrode: Am I correct in assuming both apple-sdk and cctools don't have manpages to reduce the size of the stdenv closure? | 19:57:25 |
| samasaur | I'm looking at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/456879 and thinking about whether it's possible to get those manpages in at least interactive dev shells | 19:57:42 |
| Randy Eckenrode | They’re disabled because otherwise they pull in llvm-manpages, which has a ton of build deps. | 19:58:09 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Like if you don’t disable tests, you end up pulling ffmpeg i to the bootstrap. | 19:58:38 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 19:58:44 |
| samasaur | oh blegh | 19:58:44 |
| samasaur | what about the SDK manpages? | 20:06:08 |
| samasaur | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/ffe72c37cd240ca7043055765c1ae22678ce4638/pkgs/by-name/ap/apple-sdk/common/fetch-sdk.nix#L32-L33 | 20:06:09 |
| samasaur | looks like they're just explicitly removed | 20:06:13 |
| samasaur | which i assume is for size? | 20:06:19 |
| Randy Eckenrode | More to avoid redistributing stuff we don’t need or can rebuild ourselves. | 20:08:29 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Particularly since we ship more LLVM tools (ideally 100% in 26.05) than Apple does. I don’t want to conveniently ship wrong documentation. | 20:10:24 |
| Randy Eckenrode | If people really need man pages, they can add llvmPackages.llvm-manpages to their dev shells. | 20:10:48 |
| Randy Eckenrode | If there’s a way we can make it available automatically in dev shells, we can do that to improve the UX. Otherwise, it can be in the stdenv because it would pull a bunch of Python deps into the bootstrap. | 20:12:56 |
| samasaur | isn't llvm-manpages just an issue for cctools? | 20:20:50 |
| samasaur | like the API manpages are from the SDK an dseem like they were just rm'd | 20:21:04 |
| Randy Eckenrode | If any of the source releases have them, they’re usually included in the build. | 20:33:51 |
| samasaur | but for like. man write in a dev shell | 20:36:49 |
| samasaur | it looks in $DEVELOPER_DIR/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/share/man | 20:37:48 |
| samasaur | which doesn't exist in our current SDKs, but feels like it pretty easily could, since we download manpages as part of the SDK | 20:40:06 |
| samasaur | unless what's downloaded still needs to be built and that build requires llvm-manpages | 20:40:31 |
| samasaur | * unless what's downloaded still needs to be built and that build requires llvm-manpages? | 20:40:33 |
| Randy Eckenrode | No, they’re removed to limit what we’re distributing from the SDK to headers and stubs since those are arguably necessary for interoperability. Most of those man pages should be obtainable from the source releases. | 20:41:31 |
| Randy Eckenrode | We could possibly smuggle them in via the empty darwin.libSystem derivation. | 20:41:59 |
