| 24 Oct 2025 |
alexfmpe | oh I thought it would last a couple more years | 16:55:38 |
alexfmpe | yeah not much point to add something after 25.11 that gets dropped by 26.05 lol | 16:56:07 |
Randy Eckenrode | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/415566 | 16:56:40 |
Randy Eckenrode | macOS 27 is dropping hardware support. macOS 28 is dropping Rosetta 2 except for some unspecified compatibility intended for games. | 16:57:37 |
Randy Eckenrode | The ecosystem appears to be running away from it already. | 16:57:54 |
Randy Eckenrode | Rust demoted it to tier 2. The GitHub runner was pulled then restored, but it is limited to macOS 15. Who knows for how long. Once it’s gone, Intel support will probably start bitrotting. | 16:59:23 |
Randy Eckenrode | From the nixpkgs side, x86_64-darwin is the slowest platform to build. Being able to drop it will free up builders to build aarch64-darwin, which should make cycles go faster. | 17:00:23 |
| stderr joined the room. | 18:00:15 |
EsperLily [she/her] | the name looks right, although i suppose i didn't actually check to make sure there wasn't some hidden character or some typo i just didn't see. i really don't know why xcrun is printing a warning about that with the nixpkgs SDK when the Xcode SDK has what looks like the exact same key. Does Swift Build care about that particular key?
My bigger concern is what I mentioned in the Nixpkgs / NixOS contributions room, which is that when I try to use Xcode to build a project with the nixpkgs SDK (not Xcode-in-nixpkgs but /usr/bin/xcodebuild, though I don't know if it actually makes a difference), I end up with what looks like a neverending stream of these warnings, several per second, with no other output. I don't know if the warning itself is actually a problem here or if there's some other reason why Xcode doesn't seem to actually be doing anything except printing these warnings
| 20:08:59 |
emily | /usr/bin/xcodebuild will probably indirect through $DEVELOPER_DIR? | 20:18:41 |
emily | so is probably calling into xcbuild.xcrun etc. | 20:18:54 |
EsperLily [she/her] | /usr/bin/xcrun produces the same warning | 20:19:24 |
EsperLily [she/her] | oh wow what, /usr/bin/xcrun actually invokes xcbuild.xcrun? | 20:20:19 |
emily | everything in /usr/bin is just a stub that looks up the current developer directory | 20:20:33 |
EsperLily [she/her] | but xcrun -find xcrun doesn't find anything | 20:20:33 |
EsperLily [she/her] | yeah it's a stub that looks it up with the xcrun machinery. xcrun should be the one thing that isn't a stub | 20:20:46 |
emily | shion:/v/f/1/j/T/tmp.KkX7NHuPxH
❭ mkdir -p usr/bin
shion:/v/f/1/j/T/tmp.KkX7NHuPxH
❭ cat >usr/bin/xcrun
#!/usr/bin/env bash
echo oops
shion:/v/f/1/j/T/tmp.KkX7NHuPxH
❭ chmod +x usr/bin/xcrun
shion:/v/f/1/j/T/tmp.KkX7NHuPxH
❭ DEVELOPER_DIR=(pwd) /usr/bin/xcrun
oops
| 20:21:50 |
emily | I think it recurses if there's another xcrun. | 20:22:08 |
emily | not even --help etc. do anything. | 20:22:16 |
EsperLily [she/her] | wow | 20:22:41 |
emily | I think /usr/bin/xcrun is exactly like /usr/bin/clang | 20:22:48 |
emily | they call the thing from libselect or whatever it's called to find the xcrun path relative to the developer dir and then run it | 20:22:59 |
emily | and then the rest of the library calls are in that binary | 20:23:13 |
emily | shion:/v/f/1/j/T/tmp.KkX7NHuPxH
❭ DEVELOPER_DIR=(pwd) /usr/bin/clang
oops
| 20:23:16 |
emily | so my guess is there's an infinite recursion where it's trying to get xcrun to run something but then xcrun can't find the thing and it falls back to /usr/bin which then etc… | 20:24:11 |
EsperLily [she/her] | but there is no xcrun in the normal Xcode developer dir (there is a usr/lib/libxcrun.dylib though) | 20:24:19 |
emily | hmm maybe it's a compatibility thing for old Xcodes | 20:24:33 |
emily | if there's an xcrun binary, run it, otherwise use the library | 20:24:40 |
EsperLily [she/her] | maybe so | 20:24:44 |
EsperLily [she/her] | huh, if i modify the nixpkgs SDK to remove xcrun, /usr/bin/xcrun actually complains about the missing xcrun | 20:25:53 |