| 6 Mar 2026 |
|  Theuni changed their display name from Christian Theune to Theuni. | 19:58:12 |
| 7 Mar 2026 |
 alexfmpe | there we go: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/497424 | 02:30:01 |
 copumpkin | how's the Darwin Nix sandbox these days? | 23:22:42 |
| 8 Mar 2026 |
 Randy Eckenrode | IIRC it still comes with caveats. | 01:25:22 |
| Randy Eckenrode | https://gist.github.com/milseman/dcb166afbc623bf414f1aad1f417646a | 01:25:25 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Darwin apparently has some interesting filesystem paths. | 01:25:36 |
| Randy Eckenrode | e.g., if you ls /.nofollow/etc/, it fails because /etc is a symlink to /private/etc. | 01:27:42 |
 antifuchs | …fascinating | 02:09:40 |
 bestlem | For some more info on that https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/798402?page=2 | 08:59:07 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Also https://forums.swift.org/t/pitch-add-filepath-to-the-standard-library/84812, which is where it came up. | 11:01:31 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 11:03:00 |
 ragdoc | Do you guys expect nix-darwin to work with the Notebook Neo? The instruction set of its A18 pro should be close enough to the M chips', correct? | 11:56:42 |
| Randy Eckenrode | If Apple releases a Mac that doesn’t support existing applications, they really messed up. | 11:57:23 |
| Randy Eckenrode | So I’d expect it to work unless Apple uses it to introduce some new hardening feature to macOS that breaks Nix. | 11:57:53 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Like making the user experience more like iOS, but I highly doubt that. | 11:58:18 |
 toonn | I wonder more about Asahi compatibility. | 11:59:35 |
| ragdoc | I also wonder if building nix-darwin packages will work well enough, what with the 8 GB unified RAM limit and reduced CPU oomph. I don't expect nix-darwin to cache pre-built stuff for the Neo. | 12:00:34 |
| Randy Eckenrode | nix-darwin won’t know. We don’t build CPU-specific packages. | 12:01:56 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Rebuilds (especially of bigger packages) will suck though. | 12:02:13 |
| Randy Eckenrode | (Other than instruction sets. We tune for M1.) | 12:02:29 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 12:02:51 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 12:03:25 |
| ragdoc | To be fair, the Neo is not aiming at the type of tech-savvy folks who would care about their package manager. | 12:04:25 |
| ragdoc | I'm still sad about the support for AMD64 going away. Bugger. What good is a beefed up MacBook Pro if it is no longer supported. That machine served me exceedingly well, and it would continue to do so with software support. | 12:07:50 |
| Randy Eckenrode | That’s the nature of hardware transitions on Apple platforms. They’ve executed it successfully several times (m68k to PPC, PPC to Intel, Intel to Apple Silicon), but they always drop support for the old architecture eventually. | 12:10:14 |
| ragdoc | Oh, I know that well enough, having gone through it before. It's understandable from Apple's POV, but that doesn't soften the blow for Joe User. I love my MacBook Pro, old as it is, and could very much do without the cost involved in switching to an M-series based device. | 12:13:53 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I was not fond of my old Intel MacBook Pro. It was noisy and hot under load. I replaced it as soon as I could. | 12:16:03 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I used one of those apps to turn off turbo boost just to keep the noise down. | 12:16:30 |
| ragdoc | It's admittedly not a quiet device, compared to the 2026 llineup. It was however quieter than the machines surrounding it in my work environments, which fell under "good enough for the girls I go out with". 😉 | 12:19:02 |
|  @luzifer2222:matrix.org left the room. | 12:48:38 |
