| 13 Jan 2026 |
 emily | do those .dylibs even get used on macOS, where the Swift runtime is part of the OS dyld cache? | 01:29:44 |
 Randy Eckenrode | All the Swift modules, embedded stuff, headers, and shims are in the dev output. | 01:29:57 |
| emily | shouldn't it be the out output, as it's consumed by the compiler rather than things taking the compiler as a build input 🤔 | 01:30:26 |
| Randy Eckenrode | They do some funky stuff to forward to the system. I don’t think we can avoid having them. We need the Span compatibility dylib for back deployment to 14.x and 15.x. | 01:30:33 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The stdlib is a separate derivation. It has out and dev outputs. | 01:31:03 |
| emily | ah | 01:31:11 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The embedded stuff is kind of weird. It lets you build “bare metal” Darwin applications. | 01:31:58 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Whatever the hell that means. | 01:32:03 |
| emily | they're rewriting XNU in Swift! | 01:33:13 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Then they couldn’t borrow code from FreeBSD as easily! | 01:39:25 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I wouldn’t mind if they rewrote the core UNIX utils in Swift, but then they definitely wouldn’t be able to pick up code changes from FreeBSD. It’s a shame because they’re horrifying at times. | 02:04:25 |
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