| 24 Oct 2025 |
 emily | fair enough | 02:09:38 |
| emily | maybe just doing a #define __SPI_AVAILABLE API_AVAILABLE etc. is the way to go for the internal SDK then | 02:10:03 |
| emily | at worst we'll have to patch it out in some places | 02:10:09 |
 Randy Eckenrode | Maybe it sucks less if we can use their Xcode project. We still need to get a Swift Build that can build something non-trivial. | 02:10:26 |
| Randy Eckenrode | As far as patching things, my ideal is building a source release without having to do anything to get it to build. | 02:11:26 |
| emily | well, if it's yelling at you about missing availability checks for a symbol defined in the same source release… | 02:13:11 |
| emily | then there is no choice, something needs adjusting. | 02:13:25 |
| Randy Eckenrode | That’s something that can be tackled when the time comes. | 02:14:14 |
| Randy Eckenrode | One thing I would like to do with this is enable the tests. There are actual tests in many of these source releases, but I’m not willing to rig them up to Meson. I did libiconv because I wanted to make sure things were actually working correctly. | 02:14:44 |
| emily | hence "at worst" | 02:15:00 |
| emily | we still should avoid having availability headers that are randomly inconsistent between the internal and public SDK though, which is why just doing the #define will work better if we do want __SPI_AVAILABLE across the board | 02:15:29 |
| emily | no way out of having some custom headers given CoreSymbolication and all | 02:15:54 |
| Randy Eckenrode | And APFS.framework. | 02:16:21 |
| emily | btw, I don't think I understand the atf infinite recursion thing. why does doing it in the stdenv not work with pkgsStatic? | 02:16:31 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I think I’ve done a few others as well. That’s expected. | 02:16:33 |
| emily | because pkgsStatic is cross so it skips the override and then the static apple-sdk infrecs? | 02:16:51 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Yeah. ATF needs to be in checkInputs and nativeCheckInputs because it provides a runner and a library you need to link. For pkgsStatic, that library is pkgsStatic.atf, which depends on the SDK, which depends on pkgsStatic.libiconv, which depends on pkgsStatic.atf. | 02:18:16 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Native stdenvs can untie that knot with overrides, but cross ones either can’t or don’t. | 02:18:37 |
| emily | perhaps we should propagate the extra packages from the stdenv rather than apple-sdk | 02:18:41 |
| Randy Eckenrode | It wouldn’t matter where it’s propagated. | 02:19:03 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The static stdenv would depend on pkgsStatic.libiconv, which etc. | 02:19:30 |
| emily | right, but you can at least stdenv.override { extraBuildInputs = [ ]; } | 02:26:09 |
| emily | and I was thinking it'd be easier to get the bootstrap to do the right thing | 02:26:18 |
| emily | hmm | 02:27:24 |
| emily | pkgs/stdenv/cross/default.nix seems to only add the SDK in the last stage | 02:27:28 |
 samasaur | did you have a particular one in mind? I just looked through them and I didn't see anything that looked like it would cause this problem/solve it for CFNetwork | 02:28:22 |
| emily | we have some SDK stuff | 02:28:32 |
| emily | thought it might be relevant | 02:28:36 |
| emily | though I deleted most of that stuff | 02:28:38 |
| samasaur | i'm really baffled by why CFNetwork and Network behave differently | 02:29:01 |
