| 24 Nov 2025 |
 K900 | Can we just not | 12:10:12 |
 niklaskorz | oh wait, I see it requires macOS 26 for recent changes... | 12:10:29 |
 Randy Eckenrode | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues?label_name%5B%5D=KosmicKrisp&show=eyJpaWQiOiIxNDI2NSIsImZ1bGxfcGF0aCI6Im1lc2EvbWVzYSIsImlkIjoxNDM0ODl9 is talking about making Metal 4 a requirement. | 12:10:32 |
| niklaskorz | yeah uhm | 12:10:52 |
| niklaskorz | not great | 12:10:54 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 12:11:03 |
| niklaskorz | but it's not set it in stone, judging from the issue discussion | 12:11:50 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Advertising macOS 14 or 15 as the minimum while having applications like mpv just not work is probably not what we want. | 12:11:55 |
| K900 | I mean we can just not build the Vulkan backend on x86_64 no? | 12:12:31 |
| K900 | Actually we can probably yes build it | 12:12:31 |
| K900 | And then just not have a driver | 12:12:31 |
| niklaskorz | they only merged the MTLResidencySet PR so far but that does not require macOS 26 | 12:12:57 |
| Randy Eckenrode | We want KosmicKrisp on x86_64 for Wine. | 12:14:55 |
| K900 | Oof | 12:15:29 |
| K900 | OK yeah | 12:15:30 |
| K900 | Oof | 12:15:30 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I may try to get the ARM64EC version of Wine building, but the FEX situation on Darwin is not great AFAIK. | 12:16:22 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Swift comes first, which I plan to get back to doing sometime this week. | 12:16:56 |
| niklaskorz | so Tom tried KosmicKrisp instead of MoltenVK for Tiny Glade, which does ray marching and all, and... it's about 4x slower than MoltenVK at the moment | 14:09:27 |
| niklaskorz | might be better to not default to KosmicKrisp right on Mesa 26 release day | 14:09:50 |
| niklaskorz | * might be better not to default to KosmicKrisp right on Mesa 26 release day | 14:09:56 |
| niklaskorz | but that might speak in favor of making use of those Metal 4 APIs | 14:10:31 |
| niklaskorz | * but that might speak in favor of making use of those Metal 4 APIs (for upstream, it's not a decision for us to make) | 14:10:42 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Correct but slow is better than fast but wrong. I expect KosmicKrisp to improve performance faster than MoltenVK to improve conformance. | 14:21:34 |
| Randy Eckenrode | We’ll see though. It may indeed be better to wait. | 14:21:48 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 14:22:00 |
| niklaskorz | indeed, and I don't see us shipping highly GPU intensive Vulkan applications just yet | 14:28:25 |
 colemickens 🏳️🌈 | So I think I'm hitting this: https://github.com/nix-darwin/nix-darwin/issues/1640
But I don't do any symlinking in my own config, I don't think, and it seems to be blowing up in home-manager font stuff. | 19:15:04 |
| colemickens 🏳️🌈 | I guess maybe it's an issue with home-manager, duh. I don't think I checked there yet... | 19:15:17 |
| colemickens 🏳️🌈 | huh, there's a fix commit in HM merged a week ago. Maybe my CI isn't working the way I expected because I should be including that -_- | 19:18:55 |
