| 2 Nov 2025 |
 emily | my question is whether anything will work with it that expects MoltenVK – everything has to use some windowing system API | 03:09:53 |
| emily | so if it doesn't offer the MoltenVK APIs for setting up the actual Metal surface it's unclear what will run out of the box to me, though my Vulkan knowledge is limited | 03:10:25 |
| emily | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/37493 | 03:12:00 |
| emily | wonder if this stuff is API-compatibel | 03:12:06 |
 Randy Eckenrode | I guess we’ll find out when I try it. | 03:12:45 |
| emily | https://www.phoronix.com/news/Autodesk-Mesa-WSI-Metal yum, software rendering | 03:14:45 |
| emily | guess this is what that stuff is from | 03:14:56 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I wonder if that will gain acceleration from Kosmickrisp. | 03:15:52 |
| emily | yeah, it looks like they built on top of that | 03:16:28 |
| emily | in ^ | 03:16:32 |
| emily | this was listed as a blocker for kosmickrisp | 03:16:37 |
| emily | I'd be interested to see if someone can get it building with the Mesa derivation and what will run under it | 03:16:57 |
| emily | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/37522#note_3116415 | 03:18:00 |
| emily | seems like they could have just used the .tbd stubs etc. … | 03:18:18 |
| emily | wow, they merged it without an experimental flag or anything | 03:19:53 |
| emily | straight to the big leagues | 03:19:55 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The driver? Wouldn’t you have to enable it when building Mesa? | 03:20:41 |
| emily | yes | 03:21:00 |
| emily | I guess our big Vulkan on macOS users are FFmpeg, Qt, mpv? | 03:21:27 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Wine. | 03:21:35 |
| Randy Eckenrode | There are also some games and emulators. | 03:21:54 |
| Randy Eckenrode | VkQuake was pretty broken on recent MoltenVK IIRC. | 03:22:11 |
| emily | wouldn't call vkquake big :D | 03:22:39 |
| emily | but Wine yes | 03:22:40 |
| Randy Eckenrode | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/2f6b4803abe6d2d76b474d46670d68849cbfd21f/docs/features.txt | 03:23:43 |
| Randy Eckenrode | kk is Kosmickrisp. | 03:23:54 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Doesn’t appear they support vkCreateMetalSurfaceEXT, which mpv needs. | 03:27:19 |
| emily | I think that's part of the "Metal WSI" | 03:46:49 |
| emily | hm I guess this is a general overview though | 03:47:03 |
| emily | but it doesn't seem complete. if you search vkCreateMetalSurfaceEXT it's there. | 03:47:18 |
