| 26 Dec 2025 |
 kfiz | well ... | 03:38:26 |
| kfiz | ? | 03:38:36 |
| kfiz | k this was already discussed. | 06:57:02 |
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|  hrmny | 6069 changed their display name from hrmny to hrmny | 6069. | 15:32:22 |
 debtquity | is /etc/fstab managed with nix-darwin? | 21:59:13 |
| 27 Dec 2025 |
 Randy Eckenrode | $ nix why-depends /nix/store/n7d5s976rq50shdlahybiq1n68whlvk4-swiftpm-6.2.3 /nix/store/0d63j9ma2simwi7ahsibd3a7vpca99ws-bootstrap-tools
/nix/store/n7d5s976rq50shdlahybiq1n68whlvk4-swiftpm-6.2.3
└───/nix/store/qawnbs68nzxrmp9y5qqbfi4mka1ni16h-swift-build-6.2.3-lib
└───/nix/store/qm6d0r1l4bp25k90gsk1p1gw5nydhpp5-shell_cmds-326
└───/nix/store/2xdz5kpnb0bfiashd6mw094wrv1qb125-libxo-1.7.5
└───/nix/store/0qr9g069b3acb9s2m8cx8m7j7qczs8r4-gettext-0.25.1
└───/nix/store/0d63j9ma2simwi7ahsibd3a7vpca99ws-bootstrap-tools
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| Randy Eckenrode | That doesn’t seem right. | 00:36:23 |
|  matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) changed their display name from matthewcroughan to matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192). | 14:42:37 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Anyone know how prebuilts are supposed to work in Swift? There’s a list of them in workspace-state.json, but it’s not clear what adding them is supposed to do. What I would really like is if I can supply prebuilts of all the dependencies, so Swift just uses those instead, and we can have nicely pre-built binaries in most cases. | 15:14:36 |
| Randy Eckenrode | (Though from what I can tell, they’re still pretty rough.) | 15:15:34 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Sigh. SwiftPM defaults to building package manifests for 10.13. Unfortunately, Swift is strict about deployment targets. While ld will let you link against libraries with newer deployment targets, Swift makes it a hard error to use a module for newer ones. I am trying to make SwiftPM’s dependencies work with 10.13, but Swift Driver has a hard requirement of 10.15. I guess don’t use Swift Driver on the old deployment target. | 16:16:13 |
 emily | can't we just change the default? | 16:45:10 |
| Randy Eckenrode | It’s hard-coded in SwiftPM. | 16:47:00 |
| Randy Eckenrode | It’s easier to build its dependencies for an older deployment target. | 16:48:42 |
| emily | "I am trying to make SwiftPM’s dependencies work with 10.13" makes me very sad 😔 | 16:59:40 |
| emily | I'd rather patch SwiftPM than spend time on unsupported OS versions | 16:59:50 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I had to patch one function in swift-tools-support-core to use an availability check and return ENOSYS on older versions. | 17:03:44 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I set Swift Driver to 10.15. | 17:04:15 |
| Randy Eckenrode | The rest build fine. | 17:04:22 |
| emily | how does upstream handle that? | 17:13:22 |
| Randy Eckenrode | They build whatever in their mega build script. | 17:13:41 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Technically, this is in C code, which just warns. We enforce the check in our wrapper. | 17:14:31 |
| Randy Eckenrode | * | 17:14:53 |
| Randy Eckenrode | WTF. SwiftPM effectively requires 10.15.4 or newer. How the hell is this damn manifest thing even supposed to build? | 20:09:43 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Swift Build requires macOS 13. How does this package description module get an older deployment target? | 20:14:49 |
| Randy Eckenrode | 4 | import PackageDescription
| `- error: compiling for macOS 10.13, but module 'PackageDescription' has a minimum deployment target of macOS 10.15: /nix/store/fxbsbvk42lminfmw3gf6j0c34wvlvpvs-swiftpm-6.2.3/lib/swift/pm/ManifestAPI/PackageDescription.swiftmodule
| 20:52:48 |
| Randy Eckenrode | PackageDescription uses APIs from 10.15. How does this work with an upstream toolchain? | 20:53:13 |
| Randy Eckenrode | // swift-module-flags: -target arm64-apple-macos14.0 -enable-objc-interop -enable-library-evolution -swift-version 5 -enforce-exclusivity=checked -O -package-description-version 999.0 -enable-experimental-feature MemberImportVisibility -enable-experimental-feature DebugDescriptionMacro -user-module-version 24502 -module-name PackageDescription -package-name swiftpm
| 20:55:32 |
| Randy Eckenrode | From the swiftinterface in the toolchain. | 20:55:42 |
