| 26 Oct 2025 |
 niklaskorz | That too is an application I haven't used in a decade. Truly nostalgia day for me. | 18:55:53 |
 yaymukund | What do you use, or are you just rawdogging the internet? I’m not attached to it, I just got it so I’d be a little more aware when apps reach out | 19:01:12 |
 Ihar Hrachyshka | recently my builds on one of darwin machines are extremely slow - looks like coreutils like cp (and commands like tar) take enormous time. I tried to time using macos cp and it is near immediate for the same inputs and outputs that I spot in ps ax as taking too long when ran by nixbuild user using nix coreutils. I have this behavior on one of machines but not another. Anyone experienced anything of this sort? | 20:27:18 |
| niklaskorz | In reply to @yaymukund:matrix.org
What do you use, or are you just rawdogging the internet? I’m not attached to it, I just got it so I’d be a little more aware when apps reach out I'm only using tracker blocking DNS nowadays | 22:14:48 |
| niklaskorz | So unfortunately I can't answer your original question | 22:15:14 |
 @ieda:matrix.org | Little Snitch, good times. I miss my white MacBook | 23:04:36 |
| 27 Oct 2025 |
|  Siem joined the room. | 10:33:40 |
|  Stoner joined the room. | 11:09:52 |
 Alex Nicolaou | um. sorry to ask what must be a FAQ — can someone point me at the implications of determinate no longer providing an upstream installer? My understanding is that Lix is a fork of Determinate's installer, so neither one will suppport upstream, and the upstream install is recommended by nix-darwin, and these are the only two installers recommended. So it seems like soon there will be no happy path for nix-darwin installs. TIA for pointers. | 22:50:01 |
 emily | there is a fork of the Determinate Systems installer being prepared for use to install upstream Nix | 22:51:12 |
| emily | though it has stalled out a bunch in the past so don't know if it's available yet | 22:51:26 |
| emily | Nix also ships its own installer (it's just a fair bit worse, doesn't support uninstallations etc.) | 22:51:38 |
| emily | (it's also possible to use the Lix installer and then configure Nix in your nix-darwin configuration, FWIW) | 22:51:58 |
| Alex Nicolaou | A new fork otehr than Lix you mean? | 22:52:05 |
| Alex Nicolaou | I was making hte assumption that since Lix is a fork of the determinate installer, it too wouldn't allow upstream. (Lix is what I'm currently using) | 22:52:25 |
| emily | I mean that it is a fork of the Determinate Systems installer to install (unforked) Nix, https://github.com/NixOS/experimental-nix-installer | 22:52:58 |
| emily | the Lix installer is presumably not going to pull in any changes related to Determinate (since the idea is for it to install Lix), I imagine the Lix installer and experimental-nix-installer will just end up hard forks of the DetSys installer if they're not already | 22:53:43 |
| emily | I'm guessing using the Lix installer to install Nix is not supported (though probably mostly works?), but it is possible to use it to install Lix to bootstrap a nix-darwin configuration that uses Nix | 22:54:13 |
| emily | (because nix-darwin takes over management of the Nix installation based on nix.package anyway) | 22:54:21 |
| Alex Nicolaou | so if you were setting up a new system you'd use the new (possibly stalled) fork or you'd use lix? | 22:54:29 |
| Alex Nicolaou | (My understanding is that it's this exact think - nix-darwin managing nix - that won't bepossible when determinate drops upstream support) | 22:55:05 |
| emily | to be clear… the installer, and the forks of installers, are separate from forks of Nix | 22:55:42 |
| emily | I happen to use Lix on my systems (installed with the Lix installer), but nix-darwin also supports Nix (and even Determinate Nix, with reduced functionality) | 22:56:04 |
| emily | you need some kind of Nix installed to bootstrap nix-darwin, but once you have nix-darwin configured, it manages the Nix daemon and command line tool using nix.package | 22:56:26 |
| emily | choices the Determinate Systems installer makes has no effect on that – it just means that you won't be able to use that installer to get a Nix to install nix-darwin with. | 22:57:02 |
 samasaur | https://github.com/nix-darwin/nix-darwin/issues/1588 is our technically-not-tracking tracking issue | 23:26:39 |
| 28 Oct 2025 |
| Alex Nicolaou | Thanks for your response, sorry for being MIA. This underscores some deep misunderstanding of mine :( - I thought I'd installed Nix with the Lix installer, but didn't realize that Lix was also a fork of Nix itself. Does nix-darwin manage lix, then, and so that's the preferred configuration? | 03:37:02 |
| Alex Nicolaou | I am not in fact running Lix - nix says it's v2.28.1 | 03:37:33 |
| emily | nix-darwin will manage either of Nix or Lix (and any available version) depending on what nix.package is set to – by default it's pkgs.nix, the default Nix version in Nixpkgs | 03:42:19 |
| Alex Nicolaou | so to be sure I understand ,nix-darwin cannot manage determinate nix, but it can manage vanilla nix, or the lix fork of nix. And my choices are to use the lix installer to install lix or nix, or to use the other installer to install nix, but not the determinate installer? | 03:46:27 |
