| 3 Apr 2026 |
 hexa | and we're somewhere in the m4 mini (10C, 32GB, 1TB) range | 16:22:49 |
| hexa | do people here have opinions on that choice? | 16:23:21 |
| hexa | Randy Eckenrode, emily, Ihar Hrachyshka? | 16:23:42 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 16:24:05 |
 samasaur | that seems reasonable | 16:25:09 |
 Randy Eckenrode | That seems reasonable. Is that enough RAM? | 16:25:58 |
 Ihar Hrachyshka | this is pretty much the machine I have and it builds LTO firefox in ~ half an hour (if all cores available) | 16:26:40 |
| hexa | we would only get more RAM if we switched to m4 pro cpus | 16:27:21 |
| hexa | or mac studio machines | 16:27:29 |
| hexa | fwiw, we have around 10k EUR to spend for them | 16:27:47 |
| samasaur | for the rebuild/switch question, darwin-rebuild does not support --target-host. Depending on the configuration used you may be able to run the switch over SSH, though FWIW I do my switches over Screen Sharing because some options won't work in a non-GUI session, and worst of all, they don't fail, they stall | 16:29:10 |
| hexa | that sounds horrible | 16:29:38 |
| hexa | no offense | 16:30:09 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | apple doesn't hear, so no offense :) | 16:30:37 |
| samasaur | unfortunately I agree with you :( | 16:30:40 |
| hexa | we''ll absolutely end up partitioning it | 16:30:48 |
| hexa | but maybe we'll have to rethink how we do that | 16:31:23 |
| hexa | it's currently 4 jobs/2cores on the M1 (8C, 16GB) and 2 jobs/4 cores big-parallel on the M2 (8C, 24G) | 16:32:41 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 16:32:58 |
| hexa | so, who can tell when m5 mini will be released? :p | 16:34:17 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 16:34:24 |
| samasaur | some rumors claim later this year, but based on what we've heard so far I wouldn't yet expect that with confidence | 16:39:43 |
| hexa | 
Download | 16:45:13 |
| hexa | this is a rough summary of what models/combinations we discussed | 16:45:45 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | my gut reaction is more cores / ram is better than more disk space, and more machines is better than a few (->6xMini), but I am hesitant to say that without confirming the latest useful disk space on a .5TB machine on a headless macos. (my macbook air has .5TB and I at times feel strain on my nix store / gc, but it's probably because I collect crap and random apps) | 17:04:42 |
| samasaur | I'm not super familiar with the disk space issue but if disk space long term is not an issue as much as disk space during a build, I would lean towards the 6x 512GB Mac minis as well | 17:05:22 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | assuming these are just builders and everything is then pushed into actual cache, we shouldn't need to keep nix store crap for long. | 17:08:51 |
| samasaur | that's my thought process as well | 17:10:33 |
| samasaur | do we know how full the existing Macs get? | 17:10:36 |
| hexa | right now we have 256GB on all the M1s and they are churning super hard | 17:53:21 |
