| 29 May 2021 |
 andi- | Also being Tier1 just means it is allowed to block unspecified channels and requires a large amount of packages to work on the platform. I don't think either is currently desired nor given. | 18:38:55 |
 Domen Kožar | andi-: I'm proposing only to build packages, there's no blocking involved at all | 18:42:27 |
| andi- | I know :-) | 18:42:43 |
| andi- | I just commented on the PR. Move it to limitedSupportedSystems. It has the same technical impact but fits more with what we are currently offering. | 18:43:10 |
 Finn Behrens | fine with me. Only read in the aarch64-linux rfc that the idea is also to lay the groundstone for aarch64-darwin with that | 18:43:19 |
| andi- | I don't think that we have a high enough density of M1 devices out there on developers desks to actually do anything close to Tier1 just yet... | 18:44:02 |
| Domen Kožar | huh, we have 6 mac minis | 18:44:27 |
| Domen Kožar | which are probably faster than the existing 8 very old mac minis :) | 18:44:39 |
| andi- | I am talking about Developers not the CI machines. | 18:44:59 |
| Domen Kožar | especially since nix builds scale better vertically | 18:44:59 |
 LnL | yeah, I don't think build capacity is a concert, maybe evaluation size for trunk is? | 18:45:28 |
| andi- | If the goal is really a Tier1 platform then as a user I expect Tier1 support. That isn't the case. And I say that as someone that has to use an M1 mac right now. | 18:46:58 |
| Domen Kožar | I'd expect we'd aim for tier 2 | 18:48:08 |
 Alyssa Ross | I wish we had a central tier list somewhere, like Rust does | 18:50:49 |
| Alyssa Ross | (or maybe we do and I don't know about it?) | 18:51:00 |
| andi- | Alyssa Ross: we have an RFC but it is written from the side of the developers (aka what kind of pain is that Tier to inflict on us) and not primarily from the side of users (What are my expectations). Which is a bit of a difference from the traditional tier listing. | 18:53:20 |
| Alyssa Ross | andi: it also doesn't have a tier table that can really be updated, I think | 18:53:44 |
| Alyssa Ross | I expect RFCs to be static | 18:53:53 |
| andi- | I started moving the RFC into a table format-ish but it is hard with the current wording.. | 18:54:20 |
| andi- | 
Download Screenshot 2021-05-18 at 22.37.38.png | 18:55:35 |
| andi- | This image is basically what I ended up with last time I looked at it | 18:55:51 |
| Alyssa Ross | I think we should have a table in the manual | 19:00:24 |
| andi- | That was the plan. I have a markdown accident^Wversion of the above in a refined form but it isn't polished enough yet. | 19:00:58 |
| Domen Kožar | Nice! | 19:02:54 |
| andi- | This is the markdown version: https://md.darmstadt.ccc.de/iuE-7T3OR3yR5hmjulyPpA?edit | 19:16:56 |
| andi- | If someone is motivated to fight that format go for it :D | 19:17:06 |
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| 30 May 2021 |
| andi- | I cancelled a larger rebuild on this Mac a while ago by hitting Ctrl-C in the shell invoking nix-build... Apparently that didn't kill the background jobs that the nix-daemon stared. Is that normal on MacOS? | 14:02:26 |
