| 8 Oct 2024 |
 jade_ | this would at the very least make your own life way easier | 23:44:00 |
 KFears (tragedy arc) | Like, I do mind maintaining MacOS side of things, because the CI is extremely painful at best and I don't have any local testing environment to do it, but my biggest issue is that I doubt I can say that lix-installer supports MacOS as tier 1 even if I do more than my very best | 23:44:42 |
| jade_ | i use OSX-KVM when i have to test apple software because it is the only way it will get done unless a mac magically appears on my doorstep | 23:45:44 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Like, I'll do my best but I can't make any guarantees about MacOS even if I do the best I can, is what I'm trying to say | 23:45:47 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Does it make sense? | 23:45:51 |
| jade_ | right | 23:45:54 |
| jade_ | what i am saying here is that it would be very valuable to the project if you wrote a thing that abstractly "starts a VM", whether with OSX-KVM if necessary or via qemu on native macOS (can literally be a script provided by the user to start qemu), from a snapshot and lets you at least at the start, manually run a test on it locally, then shut it down. | 23:47:58 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Right | 23:48:46 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | I'm not sure if I'll ever get to it, but just to clarify: is that legal if you don't own/run it on MacOS? | 23:49:09 |
| jade_ | i believe that is an unequivocal no | 23:49:23 |
| jade_ | but people run hackintoshes and i don't think it has ever been enforced except possibly on people selling hackintoshes. i don't endorse it and the project doesn't endorse it. :/ | 23:51:03 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | So in short: there is no legal, not-astronomically-expensive and convenient way to run lix-installer tests, at least. At most, you get to pick two | 23:55:44 |
| jade_ | that's right | 23:55:55 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Yeah, so then, like, I'm not sure if we can call MacOS support tier 1 even if we can actually run the CI and stuff like normal for it | 23:56:36 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Because installation will always be different shades of pain | 23:56:51 |
| jade_ | owning a mac and running a vm on it with snapshots is (1) and (3), eula violations with an essentially identical script to do the same thing are (2) and (3). | 23:57:22 |
| jade_ | but this is a software problem because that script needs to be written and then the installer can easily be tested. | 23:57:50 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Hmm, I see. So if there's some money to start the process, it's not that bad, right? | 23:58:29 |
 colemickens | might be of interest: https://github.com/MatthewCroughan/NixThePlanet | 23:58:54 |
| jade_ | yeah. in principle. or if you build it originally with osx-kvm and port it to m1 | 23:58:56 |
| jade_ | In reply to @colemickens:matrix.org
might be of interest: https://github.com/MatthewCroughan/NixThePlanet aha there is a wfvm for macOS lol | 23:59:14 |
|  Lulu joined the room. | 23:59:26 |
| 9 Oct 2024 |
| KFears (tragedy arc) | Alright, so. Aside from the CI stuff, is there anything else I can prioritize on installer? Just getting rid of the tech debt and stuff for now? | 00:02:53 |
| jade_ | i mean i think CI is the primary barrier to really wanting to touch it. overall improvements generally encouraged. | 00:04:07 |
| jade_ | (also hi cole, thanks for your work upstream on the installer and for fixing the macOS Sonoma issues) | 00:06:56 |
| colemickens | In reply to @jade_:matrix.org
(also hi cole, thanks for your work upstream on the installer and for fixing the macOS Sonoma issues) Other cole :) | 00:07:08 |
