| 8 Dec 2024 |
 Irenes | and I am starting to feel at least a little better which is why I'm talking in here at all | 00:30:17 |
| Irenes | but I don't think it is a good idea for me to attempt to have any role in lix or floral leadership | 00:30:38 |
| Irenes | or any opinion on their direction | 00:30:42 |
| Irenes | I think everyone would be hurt if I did | 00:30:49 |
| Irenes | and it's better that I stay back | 00:30:52 |
| Irenes | sorry | 00:30:53 |
| Irenes | in particular I had tried to explain my views (and, like, I'm an engineering manager and a tech lead, so I think they're not uninformed views) on why the process is bottlenecked and what to do about it | 00:32:35 |
| Irenes | and I do think that was really uh | 00:32:40 |
| Irenes | inappropriate and I should not do it again | 00:32:44 |
 KFears (annoying) | Okay, there's a lot to unpack here, but I can relate to what you're describing. I've gotten less active around here for much the same reason: I want to fit in because I see a lot of people here like-minded, but I also feel silently rejected because I am overly pushy and bossy | 00:33:01 |
| Irenes | I don't meant that I was impolite about it, only that it isn't a thing that is good for the community for me to do | 00:33:04 |
| Irenes | the core team who started this project need to be the ones to figure out what solutions to this problem they want and believe in | 00:33:29 |
| Irenes | I don't think it can come from outside | 00:33:34 |
| KFears (annoying) | In reply to @kfears:matrix.org
Okay, there's a lot to unpack here, but I can relate to what you're describing. I've gotten less active around here for much the same reason: I want to fit in because I see a lot of people here like-minded, but I also feel silently rejected because I am overly pushy and bossy This is a weird kind of response, because there's nothing to comment on because the rejection is silent. And it also doesn't feel malicious. But this is why it hurts so badly: it isn't an act of aggression, it's just an incompatibility being projected | 00:35:32 |
| Irenes | it wasn't silent when it happened | 00:36:11 |
| Irenes | I don't have a good sense of time, I feel like it was about two months ago but that could be way off, it's been a traumatic year | 00:36:39 |
| Irenes | (just because of politics and stuff) | 00:36:47 |
| Irenes | I don't exist in linear time in general | 00:36:56 |
| KFears (annoying) | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
it wasn't silent when it happened Oh. That must have sucked a lot, for everyone. My condolences | 00:37:09 |
| Irenes | yes, it did | 00:37:16 |
| Irenes | thank you | 00:37:17 |
| Irenes | I'm not just making up this rule about it's not a good idea for me to talk in here, I was told not to talk in here and I decided that the request had merit so I acted on it | 00:38:19 |
| Irenes | therefore I really should not keep going | 00:38:24 |
| Irenes | and am not going to | 00:38:26 |
| Irenes | but I appreciate you taking an interest | 00:38:30 |
| KFears (annoying) | In reply to @irenes:matrix.org
I don't think it can come from outside But respectfully, I don't fully agree: I think the vision of the project has to be shaped by Core team, and the process has to be kickstarted by it, but I don't agree with offloading the entire process onto it: at the very least, that's just cruel and somewhat consumerist. I want to help | 00:39:25 |
| Irenes | now that you have context on why I'm not talking, I'm going to bow out | 00:39:44 |
| Irenes | I encourage you to discuss that with everyone else | 00:39:49 |
| KFears (annoying) | FWIW, it is my impression that Lix is 2 projects disguised as one: there's a "local friend group" project, and there's a "community project", and the overall Lix project hasn't figured out which it is, and this seems to be a problem | 00:41:10 |
| KFears (annoying) | No one wants to disrupt a friend group with their bright ideas: it just sucks. Let people be and enjoy things. So if we see Lix as a "local friend group" project, it is a better idea for the people not explicitly invited to not participate at all | 00:42:06 |
