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18 Aug 2025
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)I had anther think... I myself said "the vulnerabilities don't go away from ignoring them" while doing libsoup, yet here I am saying "but all the breaks". Not consistent. I'll agree with Emily we should just set that mark. Thatd at least be consistent. There'll be pushback from users, but that's fine tbh.17:09:05
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily I predict complaints around Jellyfin and maybe fcitx and little else 17:10:56
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilybtw17:11:11
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywhat if you drop it from bindings stuff17:11:22
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily like you're killing all of pyside2 there 17:11:35
@k900:0upti.meK900Oh yeah that's a good idea drop it from pyside17:11:36
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily notepadqq probably doesn't use a browser 17:12:19
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywait yes it does17:12:45
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily and it doesn't even use pyside2 17:12:48
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily but e.g. renderdoc is just using pyside2 17:13:02
@grimmauld:grapevine.grimmauld.deGrimmauld (any/all)Oh god renderdoc.. That thing is super broken already, iirc it breaks dlopen... But yes people will be mad if we break renderdoc17:14:07
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywill they really17:15:07
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyhow many people are truly using a graphics debugger17:15:11
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI mean not that I don't think it's cool and worth keeping working but it doesn't exactly seem mass market17:15:26
@k900:0upti.meK900Why does renderdoc need qwe to begin with17:15:29
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit doesn't17:15:33
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily it needs pyside2 17:15:34
@k900:0upti.meK900Then just yeet qwe from pyside217:15:44
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyyes that's what I'm saying17:15:50
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilywhat we should probably do is add a flag17:15:57
@k900:0upti.meK900I bet the only user of that is qutebrowser-qt5 which we can also yeet now that amjoseph self-immolated17:15:57
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyfor backportability17:15:59
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily i.e. pyside2 grows withWebEngine ? true,, we set it to false for all known users that don't seem to obviously want a browser engine, then that's backportable 17:16:28
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily then on unstable we swap it to false or delete the argument 17:16:36
@k900:0upti.meK900I guess we could17:18:02
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily i mean mostly it seems bad to break WebEngine in pyside2 on stable 17:25:24
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyand there are only a handful of users anyway17:25:37
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily
      withPySide2 = plotpy.override {
        pyqt6 = pyside2;
        qt6 = qt5;
      };
17:26:57
@k900:0upti.meK900The FUCK17:27:33
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily it's in a "known failing tests" passthru 17:28:11

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