| 21 Feb 2025 |
 πΌπ. π±ππ πππ π π·ππ | i guess we won't get answers any time soon, krdp reports seem to be unassigned | 19:52:13 |
 aidalgol | Does plasma-plasmashell crash or lock up often for anyone else? | 19:56:38 |
 K900 | Not for me | 21:03:39 |
| K900 | Get a stacktrace? | 21:04:00 |
| aidalgol | Not recently. How would I get one next time it happens? | 21:12:34 |
| K900 | coredumpctl debug | 21:13:07 |
| aidalgol | And what about when it just freezes but doesn't crash? I sometimes have to restart the systemd user service to make it responsive again. | 21:14:05 |
| πΌπ. π±ππ πππ π π·ππ | you can try to kill -ABRT it | 22:12:48 |
| 22 Feb 2025 |
 Sandro π§ | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
but it seems like it would be a good idea to prepare for the eventuality we have to knownVulnerabilities it on stable Again If we would just still compile that software no one would complain | 12:01:30 |
| Sandro π§ | But since we don't it is like taking people still using that software from behind with no lube | 12:01:59 |
| Sandro π§ | and we probably waste a bunch of compute for nothing | 12:02:17 |
| Sandro π§ | In reply to @ilya-fedin:matrix.org
i guess we won't get answers any time soon, krdp reports seem to be unassigned Last time I opened an issue I got response about it a week after but no fix | 12:03:08 |
| πΌπ. π±ππ πππ π π·ππ | they were saying my trace with kpipewire is due to something with kwallet so... | 12:05:25 |
| Sandro π§ | NotLikeThat | 12:16:10 |
 emily | In reply to @sandro:supersandro.de
Again If we would just still compile that software no one would complain not sure what the point of reiterating this discussion every time vulnerable packages come up is. it was hashed out pretty thoroughly on the PR. | 14:00:05 |
| Sandro π§ | because you're argumentation is wrong and it is hurting being honest about vulnerable packages and still allowing people to use software | 14:01:21 |
| emily | no, we just disagree about what Hydra should build. afaict you're the only person who considers that a reason that web browser engines with critical CVEs shouldn't be marked knownVulnerabilities though. | 14:03:25 |
| Sandro π§ | because I know people who do not have compile server flying around | 20:03:37 |
| Sandro π§ | and for them to use some software that requires hours compiling on their laptop is actually a very big problem | 20:05:56 |
| Sandro π§ | also retroactively bricking peoples setups on stable just because of that with no option out is especially stupid | 20:08:15 |
| Sandro π§ | if a config flip would just download the precompiled software again, that would be fine and actionable but then also having to compile the software is just stupid | 20:08:56 |
| emily | I really don't feel like relitigating this every couple weeks when there's a security issue. | 20:46:54 |
| 23 Feb 2025 |
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| Sandro π§ | I know that you value security way over usability of people | 20:54:28 |
| Sandro π§ | but it is just a fact that you cannot remove all vulnerable software from your life and still live. | 20:54:41 |
| Sandro π§ | but that has been an issue since I first heard of NixOS and 5 years back we already weighted marking things vulnerable and having them cached π€· | 20:56:28 |
| Sandro π§ | shawn8901: do you want to open a PR for https://github.com/Shawn8901/nixpkgs/commit/735fd4615f6e6844a25ad14638680024a3ff4be8 ? Even if we cannot change the default, I want those options in https://github.com/Shawn8901/nixpkgs/commit/735fd4615f6e6844a25ad14638680024a3ff4be8 | 20:56:48 |
| Sandro π§ | * shawn8901: do you want to open a PR for https://github.com/Shawn8901/nixpkgs/commit/735fd4615f6e6844a25ad14638680024a3ff4be8 ? Even if we cannot change the default, I want those options in. | 20:56:54 |
 shawn8901 | In reply to @sandro:supersandro.de
shawn8901: do you want to open a PR for https://github.com/Shawn8901/nixpkgs/commit/735fd4615f6e6844a25ad14638680024a3ff4be8 ? Even if we cannot change the default, I want those options in. Sure I can do tomorrow, I wasn't sure on the other PR when I asked if it was finally wanted or not. | 23:18:47 |
