| 18 Aug 2025 |
 K900 | But yes it's from the slightly weird time when Convergence was a thing people thought they wanted | 16:58:27 |
 emily | isn't that still what is driving the GNOME and KDE mobile efforts | 16:58:44 |
| K900 | No clue about GNOME | 16:59:10 |
| K900 | The only thing driving KDE mobile efforts is three people with pinephones and a dream | 16:59:22 |
| K900 | (the dream is that with enough headbashing the pinephones will stop sucking) | 16:59:37 |
| K900 | (they won't) | 16:59:42 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | I had anther think... I myself said "the vulnerabilities don't go away from ignoring them" while doing libsoup, yet here I am saying "but all the breaks". Not consistent. I'll agree with Emily we should just set that mark. Thatd at least be consistent. There'll be pushback from users, but that's fine tbh. | 17:09:05 |
| emily | I predict complaints around Jellyfin and maybe fcitx and little else | 17:10:56 |
| emily | btw | 17:11:11 |
| emily | what if you drop it from bindings stuff | 17:11:22 |
| emily | like you're killing all of pyside2 there | 17:11:35 |
| K900 | Oh yeah that's a good idea drop it from pyside | 17:11:36 |
| emily | notepadqq probably doesn't use a browser | 17:12:19 |
| emily | wait yes it does | 17:12:45 |
| emily | and it doesn't even use pyside2 | 17:12:48 |
| emily | but e.g. renderdoc is just using pyside2 | 17:13:02 |
| Grimmauld (any/all) | Oh god renderdoc.. That thing is super broken already, iirc it breaks dlopen... But yes people will be mad if we break renderdoc | 17:14:07 |
| emily | will they really | 17:15:07 |
| emily | how many people are truly using a graphics debugger | 17:15:11 |
| emily | I mean not that I don't think it's cool and worth keeping working but it doesn't exactly seem mass market | 17:15:26 |
| K900 | Why does renderdoc need qwe to begin with | 17:15:29 |
| emily | it doesn't | 17:15:33 |
| emily | it needs pyside2 | 17:15:34 |
| K900 | Then just yeet qwe from pyside2 | 17:15:44 |
| emily | yes that's what I'm saying | 17:15:50 |
| emily | what we should probably do is add a flag | 17:15:57 |
| K900 | I bet the only user of that is qutebrowser-qt5 which we can also yeet now that amjoseph self-immolated | 17:15:57 |
| emily | for backportability | 17:15:59 |
| emily | i.e. pyside2 grows withWebEngine ? true,, we set it to false for all known users that don't seem to obviously want a browser engine, then that's backportable | 17:16:28 |
| emily | then on unstable we swap it to false or delete the argument | 17:16:36 |
