| 25 Jan 2025 |
 adamcstephens | * How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? | 00:48:38 |
| adamcstephens | * We could try renting an M4/32GB from there for a couple months to see how it helps | 00:51:12 |
 Winter | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? the former. | 00:52:51 |
| Winter | we may be able to get Domen to give us a debit card that pulls from the OC directly, though. | 00:53:05 |
| adamcstephens | Either works for me. I can expense as long as I’m sure up front Domen will approve them. ;) | 01:05:42 |
| adamcstephens | I also think we should look in to Emily’s suggestion for avoiding unnecessary rebuilds, but in parallel. If we have the funds let’s make ofborg Darwin not suck in the mean time | 01:07:20 |
 emily | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? when I discussed it with infra team the proposal was to have the machines owned/rented by the Foundation | 09:55:18 |
| emily | who would then bill the OpenCollective for them | 09:55:34 |
| emily | I should stress that I didn't reach out to Domen about this proposal, I was planning to run around linking everyone up since it seemed like an obviously good idea that just required people to talk to each other that weren't at present | 09:56:24 |
| emily | but maybe you can take over that task :) | 09:56:32 |
| emily | I guess the infra team is not running the ofborg machines even now, so it'd be you guys + Ron + Domen? | 09:57:41 |
 Janne Heß | I'll be honest: I have no idea who is running the machines. I have root ssh access and can do things there but that's all I know/have | 09:58:20 |
| emily | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
If we’re really getting 1K per month coming in, plenty to cover 125/month https://www.oakhost.net/product/mac-mini-hosting-m4-32gb you can see the accounting at https://opencollective.com/nix-macos | 09:58:42 |
| Janne Heß | I don't even have documentation for the IPs I'm connecting to, I found them in the old ofborg infra repo | 09:58:55 |
| Janne Heß | * I don't even have documentation for the IPs I'm connecting to, I found them in the old ofborg infra repo. Maybe there's more hosts somewhere? | 09:59:09 |
| emily | it's flying circus physically hosting the macs that were previously in the basement I thought? | 09:59:45 |
| emily | @hexa:lossy.network would know | 09:59:53 |
 leona | not yet | 09:59:53 |
| leona | at least | 09:59:55 |
| emily | oh ok :) | 10:00:02 |
| emily | well I was going to say that since the OpenCollective has $13k saved up, if there's a solution for physically hosting the macs already then just buying a couple more would be very cost effective | 10:01:06 |
| emily | but if not then renting for a bit seems plausible | 10:01:36 |
 hexa | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
it's flying circus physically hosting the macs that were previously in the basement I thought? They went to obsidian systems* | 10:02:08 |
| Janne Heß | we might want to move that conversation to #infra:nixos.org, don't we? Since these topics affect all mac infra? | 10:02:20 |
| emily | I think that many people stopped sending money to the OpenCollective when toonn was no longer getting paid for Darwin work so FWIW I'd expect its incomings to be at a low ebb right now (but still more than enough to rent a couple macs) | 10:02:40 |
| emily | In reply to @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de
we might want to move that conversation to #infra:nixos.org, don't we? Since these topics affect all mac infra? I guess? do they? the ofborg macs were distinctly separate back then | 10:03:08 |
| emily | I've never had a super clear picture though | 10:03:27 |
| hexa | They still are | 10:03:29 |
| Janne Heß | They still are, but if we find a very cost-effective and long-term solution, we might do that for all macs | 10:03:36 |
| emily | I think just having some macs lying around at Obsidian is maybe not the ideal level of reliability/security/management interface for Hydra | 10:04:21 |
