| 24 Jan 2025 |
 emily | since after the SDK rework CI backlog certainly became #1 macOS platform support issue | 19:25:03 |
| emily | (that said, is it definitely not timing out on LLVMs again? :) ) | 19:38:55 |
 adamcstephens | * so, no, we're not keeping up then :) | 20:00:58 |
| adamcstephens | So is the question: At what point do we throw more hardware at the problem to see if it goes away? :) | 20:04:43 |
| emily | I think that's a question at least | 20:11:09 |
| emily | if there's spare money earmarked for making Darwin support better that isn't getting used on anything and slow CI is the #1 Darwin pain point then it seems like a good thing to do | 20:11:53 |
| emily | but also getting more Macs just because they're constantly failing to build LLVM and would be totally fine keeping up if they got their timeout bumped by 30 minutes or something is a bit silly | 20:12:13 |
| adamcstephens | would be nice to have metrics for per-package builds :) | 20:33:08 |
 hexa | pretty sure this is the point | 23:34:14 |
| hexa | it is no surprise that the same machines as before are overwhelmed by the throughput | 23:34:27 |
| hexa | renting would probably be https://www.oakhost.net/mac-mini-hosting | 23:35:01 |
| hexa | an M4 Mac Mini with 10C/16GB/256GB* costs 700 EUR by comparison | 23:36:49 |
| hexa | * a M4 Mac Mini with 10C/16GB/256GB* costs 700 EUR by comparison | 23:37:08 |
| hexa | * a M4 Mac Mini with 10C/16GB/256GB* would cost just 700 EUR by comparison | 23:37:49 |
| 25 Jan 2025 |
| adamcstephens | We could try renting and M4/32GB from there for a couple months to see how it helps | 00:42:09 |
| adamcstephens | If we’re really getting 1K per month coming in, plenty to cover 125/month https://www.oakhost.net/product/mac-mini-hosting-m4-32gb | 00:43:00 |
| adamcstephens | How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started | 00:48:00 |
| adamcstephens | * How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? | 00:48:38 |
| adamcstephens | * We could try renting an M4/32GB from there for a couple months to see how it helps | 00:51:12 |
 Winter | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? the former. | 00:52:51 |
| Winter | we may be able to get Domen to give us a debit card that pulls from the OC directly, though. | 00:53:05 |
| adamcstephens | Either works for me. I can expense as long as I’m sure up front Domen will approve them. ;) | 01:05:42 |
| adamcstephens | I also think we should look in to Emily’s suggestion for avoiding unnecessary rebuilds, but in parallel. If we have the funds let’s make ofborg Darwin not suck in the mean time | 01:07:20 |
| emily | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
How do we access these funds emily ? Does one of us need to do the purchase and we expense/draw from OC ? I’m willing to do so if it helps get this started. Does this go through the foundation accounts instead? when I discussed it with infra team the proposal was to have the machines owned/rented by the Foundation | 09:55:18 |
| emily | who would then bill the OpenCollective for them | 09:55:34 |
| emily | I should stress that I didn't reach out to Domen about this proposal, I was planning to run around linking everyone up since it seemed like an obviously good idea that just required people to talk to each other that weren't at present | 09:56:24 |
| emily | but maybe you can take over that task :) | 09:56:32 |
| emily | I guess the infra team is not running the ofborg machines even now, so it'd be you guys + Ron + Domen? | 09:57:41 |
 Janne Heß | I'll be honest: I have no idea who is running the machines. I have root ssh access and can do things there but that's all I know/have | 09:58:20 |
| emily | In reply to @adam:robins.wtf
If we’re really getting 1K per month coming in, plenty to cover 125/month https://www.oakhost.net/product/mac-mini-hosting-m4-32gb you can see the accounting at https://opencollective.com/nix-macos | 09:58:42 |
