| 29 Dec 2024 |
 emily | too bad about the lock-in | 20:34:10 |
 Janne Heß | Yeah, that's my exact opinion. But if we are being honest, how likely are we to ever break out of that lock-in? | 20:35:25 |
| emily | well, 0 likely if we use that reasoning at all key turning points :) | 20:37:34 |
| emily | the GitHub UX causes me pain every single day I do Nixpkgs stuff, so I would personally be very happy if we got Gerrit or something. but yeah, I don't know if it's a lost cause or not. | 20:37:59 |
| Janne Heß | It is imo | 20:38:29 |
 7c6f434c | >0% of just eventually getting forced out for one reason or another… | 20:38:41 |
| emily | eh, it's not hard for me to imagine a world where we have {gitlab,forgejo}.nixos.org with GH login. I think at least one or two people on the steering committee indicated they were interested in pushing in that direction | 20:40:06 |
| 7c6f434c | (like, some CI limit gets restructured) | 20:39:11 |
| emily | unfortunately it's precisely non-GH-cloning code review UI that I'd like. but even GitLab/Forgejo would require some CI re-engineering. | 20:40:26 |
| emily | ideally we'd have relatively thin GHA wrappers around more agnostic tooling | 20:40:39 |
| Janne Heß | That's what the Lix people are doing with ofborg afaik. We'll see how that goes | 20:41:36 |
| emily | I do sometimes wonder how much Nixpkgs costs GitHub to host | 20:42:41 |
| emily | I guess they get some prestige from hosting a big repository in return, but I feel like our name recognition is not so high that that could never become an issue. | 20:43:06 |
| Janne Heß | Yeah, they probably care about vscode a lot more | 20:45:02 |
| Janne Heß | here we go: https://github.com/NixOS/ofborg/pull/701 | 20:45:06 |
| Janne Heß | my broken Gist code still needs to be pushed though… | 20:45:22 |
| 7c6f434c | Well, you don't need name recognition if there is a metric that allows to justify a «one of the top open-source projects on GitHub forced out» headline, so we might get some slack from nobody wanting to go on record that the savings are worth it. | 20:47:51 |
 raitobezarius | If by Lix people, you meant me, you are free to ping me :p | 21:46:25 |
| raitobezarius | (it's not made for Lix only fwiw, it's a side effect.) | 21:46:47 |
| Janne Heß | Well, at the point where I'm willing to put additional work into it, yes | 21:53:14 |
| Janne Heß | It'd be great if we combined our efforts at some point and the sooner the better but I'm really annoyed by the current state of ofborg (code and evaluator, not people) | 21:54:12 |
| raitobezarius | In reply to @janne.hess:helsinki-systems.de
It'd be great if we combined our efforts at some point and the sooner the better but I'm really annoyed by the current state of ofborg (code and evaluator, not people) What avail do you have to work on this and what are your goals? | 21:55:48 |
| Janne Heß | The goal is to preserve the current state of{,borg}. My avail is CI tooling that helps with nixpkgs development | 21:56:52 |
| Janne Heß | And I benefit from better nixpkgs development via my company and also personally since both of us use nixpkgs-based systems | 21:57:22 |
| raitobezarius | What number of hours per week can you work on this in average? | 22:03:21 |
| Janne Heß | ummm 👀 the hosting or the rust code? | 22:03:56 |
| raitobezarius | I guess both because the current infra team is not going to invest time to do it I suppose :P ? | 22:04:35 |
| raitobezarius | (and I suppose preserving the current state is mostly about reconfiguring ofborg, fixing one or two hardcoding and having the HW actually?) | 22:06:56 |
| Janne Heß | The (internal) plan was to do whatever it takes to keep ofborg running and then do pretty much nothing since the start of the year will hit me with larger projects (because december wasn't stressful enough) at work. Around february or march, the projects should be through and I will have time to invest again. My idea was to take on hosting and minor development tasks with Simon Hauser who is more skilled in rust than me doing rust work. We got the green light from management to invest hours into ofborg at work and there are soo many things to do | 22:07:33 |
| Janne Heß | For now, it was replacing the PHP code, setting um new infra, moving the evaluator to something that is hostable and sponsored build capacity is currently being spun up | 22:08:31 |
