| 19 May 2021 |
 Alyssa Ross | yeah I find them in serach results regularly. | 18:54:07 |
| Alyssa Ross | we could always run our own matrix logs, presumably. | 18:54:17 |
 samueldr | unclechu: that doesn't say if it deletes the messages | 18:54:34 |
 Dandellion | it does not | 18:54:53 |
|  musicmatze joined the room. | 18:55:26 |
| Dandellion | https://view.matrix.org/room/%21sgkZKRutwatDMkYBHU:nixos.org/ | 18:55:37 |
| Dandellion | but I have never seen it indexed | 18:55:42 |
 Valodim | as other in decentralized systems like mailing lists or git, it's not easy to remove content on matrix once it's distributed | 18:55:47 |
| Valodim | you can advise homeservers to redact and subsequently delete, but if they don't comply there's nothing you can do | 18:56:24 |
| samueldr | yeah, it's not about it being viewable online, but really about the indexing | 18:56:04 |
 aaronjanse | I think one of the biggest benefit of Matrix is that it's more newbie-friendly than IRC | 18:56:44 |
 unclechu | samueldr: yes, itās a partial answer. but i remember reading GDPR user agreement that was sent to me by the matrix.org but, there was something about deleting, but i donāt remember the details. i only remember that it does not guarantee that your messages also will be removed from all other instances, that matrix.org does not control them and canāt guarantee that | 18:56:45 |
| unclechu | * samueldr: yes, itās a partial answer. but i remember reading GDPR user agreement that was sent to me by the matrix.org bot, there was something about deleting, but i donāt remember the details. i only remember that it does not guarantee that your messages also will be removed from all other instances, that matrix.org does not control them and canāt guarantee that | 18:57:16 |
 Sumner Evans | In reply to @aaronjanse:matrix.org
I think one of the biggest benefit of Matrix is that it's more newbie-friendly than IRC You don't have to have a bouncer just to get historical logs. That's one thing I love about it. | 18:57:19 |
| aaronjanse | We'll be able to talk with a lot more new Nix users who'd be scared away by the minimalism of IRC | 18:57:22 |
| aaronjanse | Yes! | 18:57:29 |
| samueldr | is it complying with GDPR is you were to only remove the nickname association from a public message? | 18:57:31 |
| samueldr | well, removing the user association | 18:57:42 |
| Alyssa Ross | samueldr: (IANAL) depends if the message contains PII | 18:57:49 |
 Leon | In reply to @aaronjanse:matrix.org
I think one of the biggest benefit of Matrix is that it's more newbie-friendly than IRC Well, if not for cryptic "can't join this room" messages and other errors. But in my experience, this got much better already. | 18:57:50 |
| samueldr | Alyssa Ross: yeah, I was thinking that other user information would be removed too | 18:58:04 |
| samueldr | because to me, the archivist in me is really not fond of people that removes their old online presence | 18:58:23 |
| samueldr | it's actively harmful | 18:58:26 |
|  kity joined the room. | 18:58:35 |
| samueldr | e.g. you find an old reddit thread with one-sided replies that tells me that it probably held the answer to an arcane question | 18:58:43 |
| samueldr | but now it's gone | 18:58:45 |
| Leon | The Matrix implementations still somewhat disappoint, but the protocol and esp. federation works surprisingly well. | 18:58:54 |
| aaronjanse | In reply to @leons:is.currently.online
Well, if not for cryptic "can't join this room" messages and other errors. But in my experience, this got much better already. heh, at least it's an error message | 18:59:29 |
| aaronjanse | I remember spending 30 mins figuring out how tf to join my first IRC room | 18:59:39 |
| aaronjanse | Took even longer to figure out what a nickserv is | 18:59:51 |
