| 28 Jul 2025 |
 emily | (admittedly the boot.initrd.* hierarchy is a bit of a mess currently) | 17:52:06 |
 Marcel | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
I would personally probably go for services.ifstate.* IMO, it's comparable to services.network-manager.* in that you have a systemd service managing the config, but I'm ambivalent you are still with services.ifstate? in your last message you used networking.ifstate? | 19:16:08 |
| emily | I have no consistent opinion 😅 NM is under networking.* right? | 19:16:59 |
| emily | I'd match NM | 19:17:01 |
| Marcel | yeah | 19:17:21 |
| Marcel | allrigh | 19:17:23 |
| Marcel | shoult the initrd options then be unser boot.initrd.network.ifstate? | 19:17:43 |
 Sandro 🐧 | that's what we are doing in the hackspace. Marcel knows that part, too. | 19:19:42 |
| emily | I'm not totally sure as it is possible (but not guaranteed) that we will deprecate that hierarchy. I'd say boot.initrd.network.ifstate or boot.initrd.ifstate are both fine | 19:19:46 |
| emily | ideally boot.initrd would mirror the top level hierarchy | 19:20:04 |
| emily | but alas :) | 19:20:07 |
| Marcel | so boot.initrd.networking? ;D | 19:20:22 |
| emily | yeah, but it's probably too confusing to do that | 19:20:37 |
| Marcel | yeah unserstand that | 19:20:42 |
| Marcel | i'll use networking | 19:20:49 |
| Marcel | * | 19:20:54 |
| Marcel | I've build an assertion like this:
IfState and networking.useDHCP cannot be used at the same time, as both configure the network. Please look into IfState hooks to integrate DHCP: https://codeberg.org/liske/ifstate/issues/111
The problem is that useDHCP is per default set to true. That means that every user first using ifstate gets this error, is this bad? Should ifstate set useDHCP to false?
| 20:25:45 |
 hexa | please bring ifstate upstream | 20:27:00 |
| hexa | it's one more thing we can point people to, to escape scripted networking | 20:27:10 |
 ElvishJerricco | hexa (clat on linux when): (that is what they're working on :P) | 20:27:23 |
| hexa | and e.g. if they require network namespaces | 20:27:24 |
| Marcel | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
please bring ifstate upstream I am currenlty in the process ;D | 20:27:25 |
| hexa | was only aware of the flake 🙂 | 20:27:33 |
| hexa | backlog is hard | 20:27:40 |
| ElvishJerricco | the networkmanager module just sets it to false | 20:28:05 |
| emily | tbh, I hate overriding useDHCP from another module like that, but it's what NM and connman do, so it's probably the way to go | 20:28:06 |
| emily | (I guess, mostly I dislike networking.useDHCP being on by default) | 20:28:21 |
| emily | assertion is still good to have as a backstop | 20:28:31 |
| Marcel | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
assertion is still good to have as a backstop i've also done them for networkd and all the others | 20:28:46 |
| emily | networking.useNetworkd will likely be on by default as well soon, FWIW | 20:29:10 |
