| 29 Jun 2025 |
 emily | (though, kernel vs. tools) | 18:56:32 |
| emily | at a certain point, you are delivering no extra value other than just booting the ISO to begin with… | 18:56:51 |
 Alyssa Ross | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
We can, but what are we going to do? Block channel bumps on it? Why not? It would be another feature of the installer that we'd keep working, and the quick fix if it breaks is just to add the missing path. | 18:56:55 |
 hexa | Because it blocks an entire trunk-combined eval 😕 | 18:57:18 |
| emily | I'm not sure the use case is defined enough to have a good justification for providing value | 18:57:24 |
| emily | for minimal it makes sense to support because the only reason it doesn't work is essentially matters of "hygiene" | 18:57:35 |
| emily | so it raises the quality of the ISO in general to support it | 18:57:52 |
| emily | for graphical it is its own set of trade-offs and I haven't seen an actual argument for why you would want this specific property | 18:58:12 |
 ElvishJerricco | let's just shelve the idea of offline graphical installs for now | 18:58:13 |
| hexa | * Because it blocks an entire trunk-combined eval 😕 Blocks security updates, requires another costly eval, and another half a day to advance or so | 18:58:16 |
| ElvishJerricco | we've got enough going on at the moment with the new networkmanager goal, and making systemd networking and initrd the default in the near future | 18:58:34 |
| emily | (given that ~every installation needs some kind of customization to have any reason to not just be dding the ISO, we don't support a system that can't receive updates, etc.) | 18:58:43 |
| hexa | I think if we remove enableDefaultPlugins and go with a release note then we're already closer to where you want to be. | 18:58:44 |
| ElvishJerricco | Yea it sounds like you all think removing the default plugins is a good move regardless of the minimal ISO's offline-installability | 18:59:14 |
| ElvishJerricco | and it'll keep the work I did for that alive | 18:59:22 |
| hexa | oh no 😄 enableDefaultPlugins is a new addition in 25.05 | 19:00:45 |
| hexa | it was added to guard around the plugins being default enabled | 19:01:15 |
| hexa | so I guess we're now taking the idea a step further | 19:01:24 |
| emily | I got some WD-40 for the slope | 19:03:54 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 19:04:12 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 19:04:46 |
| hexa | third time's the charm | 19:05:06 |
| hexa | 
Download image.png | 19:05:07 |
| hexa | profile still exists, but when I want to access it I get | 19:18:59 |
| hexa | 
Download image.png | 19:19:00 |
| hexa | which is as good an error message as we could have asked for | 19:19:12 |
| hexa | because it points cleanly to the relevant plugin | 19:19:21 |
| hexa | that is nm-connection-editor fwiw | 19:19:31 |
| emily | that seems adequate | 19:19:37 |
| emily | the frontline Discourse/Matrix support personnel will appreciate our jobs programme | 19:20:26 |
