| 29 Jun 2025 |
 hexa (clat on linux when) | Because it blocks an entire trunk-combined eval 😕 | 18:57:18 |
 emily | I'm not sure the use case is defined enough to have a good justification for providing value | 18:57:24 |
| emily | for minimal it makes sense to support because the only reason it doesn't work is essentially matters of "hygiene" | 18:57:35 |
| emily | so it raises the quality of the ISO in general to support it | 18:57:52 |
| emily | for graphical it is its own set of trade-offs and I haven't seen an actual argument for why you would want this specific property | 18:58:12 |
 ElvishJerricco | let's just shelve the idea of offline graphical installs for now | 18:58:13 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * Because it blocks an entire trunk-combined eval 😕 Blocks security updates, requires another costly eval, and another half a day to advance or so | 18:58:16 |
| ElvishJerricco | we've got enough going on at the moment with the new networkmanager goal, and making systemd networking and initrd the default in the near future | 18:58:34 |
| emily | (given that ~every installation needs some kind of customization to have any reason to not just be dding the ISO, we don't support a system that can't receive updates, etc.) | 18:58:43 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | I think if we remove enableDefaultPlugins and go with a release note then we're already closer to where you want to be. | 18:58:44 |
| ElvishJerricco | Yea it sounds like you all think removing the default plugins is a good move regardless of the minimal ISO's offline-installability | 18:59:14 |
| ElvishJerricco | and it'll keep the work I did for that alive | 18:59:22 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | oh no 😄 enableDefaultPlugins is a new addition in 25.05 | 19:00:45 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | it was added to guard around the plugins being default enabled | 19:01:15 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | so I guess we're now taking the idea a step further | 19:01:24 |
| emily | I got some WD-40 for the slope | 19:03:54 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | Redacted or Malformed Event | 19:04:12 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | Redacted or Malformed Event | 19:04:46 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | third time's the charm | 19:05:06 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | 
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| hexa (clat on linux when) | profile still exists, but when I want to access it I get | 19:18:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | 
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| hexa (clat on linux when) | which is as good an error message as we could have asked for | 19:19:12 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | because it points cleanly to the relevant plugin | 19:19:21 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | that is nm-connection-editor fwiw | 19:19:31 |
| emily | that seems adequate | 19:19:37 |
| emily | the frontline Discourse/Matrix support personnel will appreciate our jobs programme | 19:20:26 |
