| 29 Jun 2025 |
 emily | does that break using NM for wlan? | 04:53:46 |
 hexa (clat on linux when) | yeah, you need to understand the networkd config logic | 04:53:50 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | that 99-* applies last for example | 04:53:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | and is a catchall | 04:54:02 |
| emily | I think we can just only ship the wired thing | 04:54:08 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * and is a catchall for ether/wlan station | 04:54:13 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | as an example? | 04:54:23 |
| emily | as systemd.network.wiredDHCP or something to ship by default in configs | 04:54:44 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | in which case I'd probably ship an example for DHCP/RA and one for Static Addressing | 04:54:52 |
| emily | because WLAN users will turn on NM or else be in wpa_supplicant weeds and having exciting learning experiences anyway | 04:54:54 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | kindly, let's not scuff up that module, thanks | 04:55:07 |
 ElvishJerricco | again, I really don't think networkd is the right tool if you aren't specifying your interfaces | 04:55:14 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | I do want WLAN users to use NM tbh | 04:55:19 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | we are talking examples to give to the user | 04:55:37 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | I'm not proposing enabling any networkd logic by default | 04:55:48 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | we agreed on NM earlier | 04:55:55 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * we agreed on enabling NM earlier | 04:56:00 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | but if you deploy a server having an example config for static/dynamic interface configuration with network in the example configuration.nix will be helpful | 04:56:28 |
| emily | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
kindly, let's not scuff up that module, thanks if the constraints are "no scary networkd details in default configs" and "plugging in an Ethernet cable out of the box works" and "networking.useDHCP is busted actually"... | 04:56:36 |
| emily | then it's either NM or we add an option to achieve the basic sane config for networkd | 04:56:52 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | we agreed on NM 😄 | 04:56:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | can we not walk that back? | 04:57:04 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * can we not walk that back w/o a good reason? | 04:57:10 |
| emily | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
because I feel like "oh yeah to declaratively configure that you want to turn off NM that the generated config has and switch to this" is maybe not actually better well, ^ | 04:57:33 |
| emily | it was more a flippant reaction to the no networkd config constraint | 04:57:52 |
| emily | it's fine for desktop users at least | 04:58:06 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | that's why I proposed shipping with examples for a declarative networkd config, that matches an explicit interface and shows a dhcp/ra and static example | 04:58:07 |
| emily | I don't know if it's the right onramp for servers | 04:58:16 |
| emily | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
that's why I proposed shipping with examples for a declarative networkd config, that matches an explicit interface and shows a dhcp/ra and static example as in NM enabled but commented out networkd example? | 04:58:30 |
 uep | sure, even if it's commented out or wahtever | 04:58:33 |
