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@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI mean I guess it's just a protocol…14:40:27
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilynothing's stopping you14:40:30
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyif you're nuts14:40:32
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI bet some HPC cluster is doing crimes like that14:40:48
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧but do you then want to run the normal ifstate also with python3Minimal? You kinda want to do that as otherwise you have bugs that only exist in initrd and then we have a random application in userland running python3Minimal which we don't really want to 😅14:40:52
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit's like the management port on DSA switches!14:40:56
@hexa:lossy.networkhexaas long as it doesn't require any features not covered by it, why not14:41:13
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily stage 1 environment is already moderately different tbf, but yeah I'm not sure. I wouldn't be super mad about python3Minimal in stage 2 for something core like this 14:41:22
@hexa:lossy.networkhexathe use case of having it in initrd makes it preferable14:41:25
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI mean really the answer is don't use Python for this layer of the stack14:41:28
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilybut sounds like upstream already knows/is working on that14:41:32
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧python has nothing for such inbuilt things, so we also need to run all tests and everything with python3Minimal as otherwise we might sneak some bug by14:41:45
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI'm also fine with just having huge initrds if it's not a problem for people14:41:49
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilybut it does make it less appealing I think14:42:13
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa170 vs 67 MiB14:42:23
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa* 171 vs 67 MiB14:42:34
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyhuh minimal is still that big?14:42:44
@hexa:lossy.networkhexaon master14:42:51
@marcel:envs.netMarcel
In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
but sounds like upstream already knows/is working on that
Yeah I've already suggested that I'll start working on it. But he wants to do it himself, but between 40h work there is only so much time
14:42:55
@hexa:lossy.networkhexaand before compression14:43:06
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧
 ➜ command nix-shell -p "python3Minimal.withPackages(ps : with ps; [ jsonschema pyroute2 pyyaml setproctitle ])"
unpacking 'https://github.com/SuperSandro2000/nixpkgs/archive/nixos-unstable.tar.gz' into the Git cache...
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14:44:59
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧urg14:45:01
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧

and fails in flit-core

Building wheel from /build/source/flit_core
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 198, in _run_module_as_main
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 88, in _run_code
  File "/build/source/flit_core/flit_core/wheel.py", line 259, in <module>
    main()
    ~~~~^^
  File "/build/source/flit_core/flit_core/wheel.py", line 255, in main
    info = make_wheel_in(pyproj_toml, outdir)
  File "/build/source/flit_core/flit_core/wheel.py", line 222, in make_wheel_in
    wb = WheelBuilder.from_ini_path(ini_path, fp)
  File "/build/source/flit_core/flit_core/wheel.py", line 89, in from_ini_path
    return cls(
        directory, module, metadata, entrypoints, target_fp, ini_info.data_directory
    )
  File "/build/source/flit_core/flit_core/wheel.py", line 78, in __init__
    self.wheel_zip = zipfile.ZipFile(target_fp, 'w',
                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                         compression=zipfile.ZIP_DEFLATED)
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/nix/store/2bh3ww7jpp1cvd921r3lmsw1kkgrycb5-python3-minimal-3.13.5/lib/python3.13/zipfile/__init__.py", line 1335, in __init__
    _check_compression(compression)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/nix/store/2bh3ww7jpp1cvd921r3lmsw1kkgrycb5-python3-minimal-3.13.5/lib/python3.13/zipfile/__init__.py", line 754, in _check_compression
    raise RuntimeError(
        "Compression requires the (missing) zlib module")
RuntimeError: Compression requires the (missing) zlib module
14:45:30
@hexa:lossy.networkhexameh14:45:42
@hexa:lossy.networkhexayeah, nvm14:45:51
@hexa:lossy.networkhexabootstrapping the package set doesn't work with minimal14:45:59
@hexa:lossy.networkhexanot sure how I forgot14:46:08
@hexa:lossy.networkhexapython3Small when14:46:26
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa* python3Smol when14:46:31
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa * python3Smol when 14:46:42

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