| 29 Jun 2025 |
 hexa | * someone should package up https://codeberg.org/liske/ifstate as an alternative for people who don't like networkd | 01:55:56 |
| hexa | https://ifstate.net/docs/namespaces/ | 02:03:18 |
| hexa | one thing it can do is network namespaces | 02:03:27 |
| hexa | also doesn't run as a daemon, but only makes changes when run | 02:04:01 |
 Zhaofeng Li | would be nice if there was a converter that takes networkd configs and emit ifstate ones, doesn't look very hard to do | 02:12:37 |
| hexa | Redacted or Malformed Event | 02:16:53 |
| hexa | like a one time translation mechanism? | 02:17:11 |
| hexa | certainly not impossible | 02:17:20 |
| hexa | nothing I would want to have in nixpkgs | 02:17:27 |
| Zhaofeng Li | basically one-time, but the use case is being able to still use systemd.network.* and have them handled by ifstate underneath | 02:18:35 |
| hexa | pls no | 02:19:02 |
| hexa | we already have that with useNetworkd and I hate it | 02:19:08 |
| Zhaofeng Li | but networkd configs are pretty nice to write I think :p | 02:20:39 |
| Zhaofeng Li | it's also an escape hatch in case you end up hating ifstate and want to go back | 02:20:46 |
| hexa | I get the appeal, but these are APIs we will not be able to deprecate | 02:21:37 |
| hexa | even if they are bad | 02:21:40 |
| hexa | like network.interfaces 😄 | 02:21:43 |
 emily | is it that bad in the useNetworkd form? | 02:22:17 |
| emily | ah, I guess you said as much | 02:22:33 |
| hexa | there was something weird about that option that I don't remember anymore | 02:22:44 |
| emily | pretty much guaranteed to end up hellish due to impedance mismatches for API surfaces that big | 02:23:03 |
| hexa |
Note that this option is experimental, enable at your own risk.
| 02:23:08 |
| hexa | for useNetworkd 😄 | 02:23:14 |
| hexa | thanks linus | 02:23:17 |
| emily | I think it was very near "switched on by default" stage at some point? | 02:23:49 |
| emily | and then that just didn't happen | 02:23:55 |
| emily | shim code for the options is certainly better than keeping scripted networking around indefinitely I think | 02:24:19 |
| emily | I think probably most people using networkd are using it through useNetworkd | 02:24:44 |
| hexa | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/tasks/network-interfaces-systemd.nix | 02:25:59 |
| hexa | basically an implementation that needs to be worked at for changes on both sides | 02:26:34 |
