| 21 May 2025 |
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| 22 May 2025 |
 emily | https://microchip-ung.github.io/bsp-doc/bsp/2025.03/network_overview.html these switch SoCs apparently have meaningful amounts of upstream support | 05:14:29 |
| emily | though it seems like they're automotive stuff that I have no idea whether you can just find consumer products with | 05:14:39 |
| emily | it seems like at least one family has "normal" ARM verified boot | 05:15:02 |
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 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | emily: it looks to me like the only openwrt supported switch worth getting is XikeStor XikeStor | 15:45:08 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * emily: it looks to me like the only openwrt supported switch worth getting is XikeStor SKS8300-8X | 15:45:12 |
| emily | the TP-Link one seems fine too | 15:45:30 |
| emily | there's also a 12 SFP+ one from XikeStor | 15:45:44 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Ah yeah but I can't find a way to buy that one | 15:45:52 |
| emily | and Ubiquiti USW-Aggregation seems like it might be supported | 15:45:54 |
| emily | there is plenty more hardware with DSA and switchdev modules in the kernel tree though | 15:46:03 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I have to use aliexpress just to get the XikeStor one in any case | 15:46:12 |
| emily | and some of the switches using them can use vanilla kernels, cf. https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/sn2010-linux-hacking-switchdev | 15:46:21 |
| emily | so there may be better options that avoid MIPS | 15:46:37 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Mellanox SN2010 is 7K | 15:47:36 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Redacted or Malformed Event | 15:47:41 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | ah crap for got | 15:47:46 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * ah crap forgor | 15:47:49 |
| emily | much less second hand, but obviously I wasn't recommending actually buying a 100G switch | 15:55:12 |
| emily | I'm saying that there are things that can trivially run vanilla Linux with the upstream DSA/switchdev drivers and involve no MIPS | 15:55:35 |
| emily | so there may be an option that does not require the OpenWrt Realtek stuff | 15:55:47 |
| emily | though it's being upstreamed anyway | 15:55:50 |
| emily | it's just the MIPS and tiny flash that make it annoying, because otherwise you could just run NixOS | 15:55:59 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | TL-ST1008F is the best, but costs the most simply because ti is rare | 16:05:56 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | * TL-ST1008F is the best, but costs the most simply because it is rare | 16:06:00 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | It's incredible that there are only two on the market don't you think emily | 16:21:22 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | do you think someone bought all the stock, and is now selling it back to us? | 16:21:33 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | this stuff used to be on amazon, and now it is not | 16:21:43 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | TP-LINK TL-ST1008F and the XikeStor stuff, but not much else with this performance | 16:22:14 |
