| 30 Jun 2025 |
 Molly Miller | oh this reminds me of ifupdown2 | 15:20:49 |
| Molly Miller | (society if ifupdown2 was usable outside of cumulus linux) | 15:21:09 |
 hexa | yeah, ifupdown2 had ifreload for gradual changes | 15:22:23 |
| hexa | but the maintenance situation was wild | 15:22:28 |
| hexa | at least ifstate is still hackable, if you need that | 15:22:47 |
| hexa | it is used at DD-IX I hear | 15:23:23 |
| Molly Miller | ah, interesting | 15:23:56 |
| hexa | and it seems to understand the diff between config and reality | 15:24:00 |
| hexa | from the usage section of the docs | 15:24:08 |
| Molly Miller | i'll ask about that the next time i see marcel or sandro then | 15:24:13 |
| hexa | or Thomas Liske, if you know him | 15:24:33 |
| hexa | he should be floating around Dresden as well | 15:24:42 |
| hexa | would be great to offer people an alternative to networkd so we can drop scripted eventually | 15:25:06 |
 emily | I really don't think that's a requirement for dropping it | 15:26:32 |
 Sandro 🐧 | there is also a nix wrapper https://codeberg.org/m4rc3l/ifstate.nix but I haven't used it myself, yet | 15:26:42 |
| emily | like NixOS does not have a second source policy :) | 15:26:44 |
| hexa | it isn't, but it makes it easier | 15:26:45 |
| Sandro 🐧 | but Marcel is in the chat here | 15:26:49 |
| hexa | to point to alternatives | 15:26:53 |
| emily | we have tons of things we have only one in-tree interface for | 15:26:52 |
| emily | and if we deprecate networking.* then there's even less reason | 15:27:02 |
| emily | since we are not blessing anything at that point | 15:27:06 |
| Sandro 🐧 | for the services, not core routing AFAIK | 15:27:45 |
 Marcel | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
would be great to offer people an alternative to networkd so we can drop scripted eventually I plan to upstream it eventually but I want to wait till after V2 which will introduce braking change in the configuration file. If you don't care about these I can also upstream the v1 | 15:48:03 |
| Marcel | In reply to @sandro:supersandro.de
for the services, not core routing AFAIK Also IBH (local isp) uses it. There also for the routing infrastructure. | 15:49:00 |
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 Zhaofeng Li | For those with some kind of overlay mesh network, what kind of optimization do you do? Like tuning OSPF metrics based on some periodic measurement, etc | 22:06:08 |
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