| 30 Jun 2025 |
 K900 | Neither | 15:16:20 |
| K900 | It just lets you do networkctl up foo | 15:16:28 |
| K900 | Or whatever | 15:16:29 |
| K900 | Which is presumably what you use those for? | 15:16:36 |
 emily | well it also changes their name in ip etc. | 15:17:05 |
| emily | so I assume it does actually reconfigure something | 15:17:16 |
| K900 | Well yes the linkConfig.Name stuff does | 15:17:20 |
| K900 | Wait | 15:17:38 |
| K900 | Am I crazy | 15:17:41 |
| K900 | Yes I am sorry | 15:18:28 |
| emily | it seems like this kind of thing wouldn't be hard to test with networkd anyway? | 15:18:54 |
| emily | to see if you need to have things poke udev or whatever | 15:19:01 |
 Molly Miller | i'll carve out some time at some point (TM) to go and take a look | 15:19:27 |
| Molly Miller | the assumption of scripted networking is baked pretty deeply into our codebase, so we'd need to refactor out all the explicit dependencies on network-addresses-ethXXX.service | 15:19:57 |
| emily | you may want to look at ^ too if networkd is really not working out for whatever reason | 15:20:08 |
| Molly Miller | reference for ifstate? | 15:20:25 |
| emily | https://ifstate.net/ | 15:20:34 |
| Molly Miller | oh this reminds me of ifupdown2 | 15:20:49 |
| Molly Miller | (society if ifupdown2 was usable outside of cumulus linux) | 15:21:09 |
 hexa | yeah, ifupdown2 had ifreload for gradual changes | 15:22:23 |
| hexa | but the maintenance situation was wild | 15:22:28 |
| hexa | at least ifstate is still hackable, if you need that | 15:22:47 |
| hexa | it is used at DD-IX I hear | 15:23:23 |
| Molly Miller | ah, interesting | 15:23:56 |
| hexa | and it seems to understand the diff between config and reality | 15:24:00 |
| hexa | from the usage section of the docs | 15:24:08 |
| Molly Miller | i'll ask about that the next time i see marcel or sandro then | 15:24:13 |
| hexa | or Thomas Liske, if you know him | 15:24:33 |
| hexa | he should be floating around Dresden as well | 15:24:42 |
| hexa | would be great to offer people an alternative to networkd so we can drop scripted eventually | 15:25:06 |
