| 30 Jun 2025 |
 emily | I expect it just works in graphical sessions | 07:21:08 |
 hexa | SESSION UID USER SEAT LEADER CLASS TTY IDLE SINCE
1 1000 hexa seat0 2404 user tty1 no -
2 1000 hexa - 2527 manager - no -
| 07:21:16 |
| hexa | what do you want to see? | 07:21:29 |
| hexa | because it did not work for me on sway | 07:21:34 |
| emily | because e.g. the graphical installer has been installing people with NM for years | 07:21:34 |
| emily | and does not do the group thing afaik | 07:21:37 |
| emily | and nobody complains they can't connect to wifi | 07:21:41 |
| emily | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Session_permissions | 07:21:51 |
| hexa | hrm | 07:21:51 |
| emily | loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID | 07:21:57 |
| emily |
This should contain Remote=no and Active=yes in the output. If it does not, make sure that X runs on the same tty where the login occurred. This is required in order to preserve the logind session.
| 07:21:59 |
| hexa | Id=1
User=1000
Name=hexa
Timestamp=Thu 2025-06-26 02:21:24 CEST
TimestampMonotonic=38711877
VTNr=1
Seat=seat0
TTY=tty1
Remote=no
Service=login
Scope=session-1.scope
Leader=2404
Audit=1
Type=wayland
Class=user
Active=yes
State=active
IdleHint=no
IdleSinceHint=0
IdleSinceHintMonotonic=0
CanIdle=yes
CanLock=yes
LockedHint=no
| 07:22:09 |
| emily | fun | 07:22:31 |
| emily | I wonder if our packaging is broken or something. but still it definitely works on GNOME/Plasma right? | 07:22:41 |
| emily | we would surely hear about "cannot connect to wifi" | 07:22:45 |
| hexa | oh | 07:22:52 |
| hexa | do they run a polkit agent maybe? | 07:22:57 |
| hexa | because I sure as hell do not | 07:23:11 |
| hexa | for no good reason | 07:23:13 |
| emily | that presumably does not help :) | 07:23:56 |
| hexa | fair | 07:24:17 |
| emily | I think that kind of thing belongs in setup instructions for individual WM things | 07:24:27 |
| emily | (and it's ~expected that you have to glue together stuff for those) | 07:24:35 |
| emily | we should ensure the minimal ISO ships something that makes it work though | 07:25:05 |
| emily | I assume nmcli can use the default console thingy | 07:25:13 |
| emily | but not sure about nmtui | 07:25:16 |
| hexa | well, not the minimal iso, but like the initial setup | 07:25:27 |
| hexa | minimal iso would be nice-to-have | 07:25:40 |
| emily | because it doesn't support WiFi now anyway? | 07:27:07 |
| hexa | no, because the user will elevate anyhow | 07:27:29 |
