| 29 Jun 2025 |
 emily | not sure it's worth since it's so small | 16:03:40 |
| emily | why distinguish WiFi and WWAN unless the latter actually pulls in something big? | 16:03:48 |
 hexa | everyone and their dog has WLAN | 16:04:03 |
| hexa | cellular networking usually comes with traffic caps | 16:04:17 |
| hexa | * everyone and their dog has WLAN and it is mostly free | 16:04:28 |
| emily | eh | 16:05:00 |
| emily | you can get unlimited 5G here for cheaper than Americans pay for data capped fibre | 16:05:08 |
| hexa | 
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| hexa | t-mobile in DE | 16:05:39 |
| emily | wow | 16:05:59 |
| emily | we can include ModemManager outside of Germany then | 16:06:13 |
| hexa | I have 10 GB on 5G for 10 EUR/mo fwiw | 16:06:17 |
| emily | unlimited 5G is available for <€18/month here | 16:06:54 |
| emily | "hundreds of gigs" level is quite a bit cheaper still | 16:07:21 |
| hexa | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/421042 | 16:27:22 |
| hexa | in the long run we should probably look at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/350199, but the patch size is too large for me to just merge | 16:39:34 |
| hexa | * in the long run we should probably look at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/350199, but the patch size is too large for me to want to merge | 16:39:44 |
| emily | feels pointless for most of those | 16:47:01 |
| emily | like, NM without iptables or dhcpcd is not a use case | 16:47:12 |
| emily | openconnect and dnsmasq, yes | 16:47:20 |
| hexa | iptables can absolutely go away 😄 | 16:47:34 |
 Marie | nftables by default when | 16:47:51 |
| hexa | we're using nft these days | 16:47:51 |
| emily | well, sure | 16:47:56 |
| emily | but the closure size is like zero | 16:48:00 |
| hexa | it is using the iptables-nft wrapper probabl;y | 16:48:04 |
| hexa | * it is using the iptables-nft wrapper probably | 16:48:05 |
| emily | not worth any patching | 16:48:11 |
| hexa | for the most part, yeah | 16:48:11 |
| hexa | depending on systemd is not adding anything 😄 | 16:48:18 |
