| 29 Jun 2025 |
 emily | pushing things over the finish line is hard | 02:47:07 |
| emily | once scripted initrd is gone though I see no reason to keep scripted networking around | 02:47:25 |
| emily | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/287043 looks like raito attempted to kill scripted networking in initrd only | 02:48:08 |
 hexa | what we really shouldn't try to do is provide feature parity | 02:48:38 |
| emily | systemd stage 1 and useNetworkd default in 25.11 → scripted stage 1 and scripted networking removed in 26.05 → complex networking options deprecated in 26.11 → heat death of universe | 02:49:08 |
| hexa | agree with the first two | 02:49:29 |
| hexa | the third can happeen in 26.05 as well 😛 | 02:49:38 |
| hexa | * the third can happen in 26.05 as well 😛 | 02:49:43 |
| emily | fair | 02:49:47 |
| emily | fwiw useNetworkd is a thing people will randomly turn on to have the new shiny and I haven't heard of it failing to meet someone's needs | 02:50:13 |
| emily | so I think it is a case where we already basically have feature parity | 02:50:19 |
| emily | maintaining that long-term is another thing | 02:50:23 |
| emily | but it is easier to sell the initial switchover without it at least (see: that PR…) | 02:50:33 |
| emily | * but it is easier to sell the initial switchover with it at least (see: that PR…) | 02:50:37 |
| hexa | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/287043#issuecomment-1933060123 | 02:50:39 |
| hexa | olne month to migrate network configurations, tough | 02:50:55 |
| hexa | can't be done | 02:50:56 |
| hexa | * one month to migrate network configurations, tough | 02:51:30 |
| emily | anyway systemd stage 1 is definitely something that needs to happen | 02:51:30 |
| emily | I know ElvishJerricco has a list of the few remaining blockers | 02:51:42 |
| emily | if anyone has time to help solve them it would make it more likely to happen for 25.11 I'm sure | 02:52:01 |
| hexa | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/251388 😱 | 02:52:50 |
| hexa | I hate everything about that issue | 02:53:12 |
| emily | "The networking.* options aren't fully supported in scripted networking + initrd anyway." :) | 02:54:03 |
| emily | I think that can be WONTFIX | 02:54:12 |
| emily | there's definitely a lot of NixOS that originates from a time before there were any real abstractions in the underlying system tooling | 02:54:43 |
| emily | leading to a bunch of Nix with bespoke interfaces hard-wired up to a pile of Bash spaghetti | 02:55:08 |
| emily | RFC 42 comes for us all | 02:55:24 |
| hexa | exactly | 02:55:38 |
| emily | I remember how magical the idea of NixOS seemed back before systemd added declarative configuration for everything in the world though :) | 02:56:51 |
