| 21 May 2025 |
 magic_rb | Its the worst fucking thing on the planet | 15:53:39 |
 matthewcroughan | okay, I don't know how to convey it to you other than by saying the word arduino, because I'm not getting a good response when I say micropython or embassy | 15:53:52 |
 emily | how much arduino development have you done | 15:54:01 |
| magic_rb | Because its the same shit | 15:54:02 |
| matthewcroughan | enough, why? | 15:54:09 |
| emily | this is just pointless asceticism if you look at the actual resource consumption of the thing running linux | 15:54:20 |
| magic_rb | Id rather get fisted by 20 linux kernels than spend 5 minutes dealing with the bullshit embedded people can cook up | 15:54:25 |
| emily | and what you would need to recreate on bare metal | 15:54:27 |
| matthewcroughan | actually no, I have actually got a better idea, they could just make the entire managed switch configured/programmed with u-boot alone | 15:54:33 |
| matthewcroughan | no linux | 15:54:35 |
| emily | to replace basic operating system services that make serving a web app that can persist state and do upgrades and talk to a driver easy | 15:54:43 |
 hexa | language | 15:54:47 |
| magic_rb | In reply to @hexa:lossy.network
language Sorry but matthew is driving me up the wall | 15:55:02 |
| emily | ok why am I wasting time on this conversation when I could go touch grass | 15:55:08 |
| emily | → | 15:55:18 |
| magic_rb | We should all go touch grass | 15:55:30 |
| magic_rb | I think | 15:55:32 |
| magic_rb | Including matthew | 15:55:35 |
| hexa | please do | 15:55:40 |
| magic_rb | No more routers for you today, go hug a tree | 15:55:43 |
| matthewcroughan | I'm just saying that I would enjoy a switch that just had some repl that I could tell it what to do with, that didn't depend on Linux | 15:55:55 |
| matthewcroughan | And that was open source | 15:56:06 |
| matthewcroughan | I mean look at 3d printer firmware, marlin for example, something like that. | 15:56:28 |
| magic_rb | Marlin is horrible lmao | 15:56:42 |
| magic_rb | Okay, no sorry, im out | 15:56:47 |
| magic_rb | Bye | 15:56:48 |
| hexa | good choice | 15:57:02 |
| matthewcroughan | It's just an example of an independent C program that just tells hardware what to do | 15:57:09 |
| matthewcroughan | magic_rb: question, if you hate everything I'm suggesting, is there anything you do like? | 15:58:25 |
| matthewcroughan | I wanted to try klipper | 15:58:49 |
