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Declaratively manage your switching, routing, wireless, tunneling and more. | Don't rely on `networking.*` for interface and routing setup, use systemd-networkd, ifstate or NetworkManager instead. | Set `SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug` to debug networking issues with networkd | No bad nft puns, please. | Room recommendations: #sysops:nixos.org255 Servers

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29 Jul 2025
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily I wouldn't want to use python3Minimal for a random stage 2 application but I think "not bloating initrd by 100 MiB" is a fair use case if it works 14:38:35
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧lucky, those deps are pretty minimal and don't do import *14:39:04
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧yeah, exactly 14:39:27
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily (looks like pyroute2 does have Netlink-over-TLS support but uh, I hope IfState isn't using that) 14:39:40
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily (it would need an import ssl making conditional I suppose, so not zero effort) 14:39:53
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (clat on linux when)when would you use Netlink-over-TLS?14:40:13
@emilazy:matrix.orgemily0.1.4 netlink: remote netlink access netlink: SSL/TLS server/client auth support netlink: tcp and unix transports 14:40:24
@hexa:lossy.networkhexa (clat on linux when)that sounds like exposing it cross host or something weird14:40:25
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI mean I guess it's just a protocol…14:40:27
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilynothing's stopping you14:40:30
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyif you're nuts14:40:32
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyI bet some HPC cluster is doing crimes like that14:40:48
@sandro:supersandro.deSandro 🐧but do you then want to run the normal ifstate also with python3Minimal? You kinda want to do that as otherwise you have bugs that only exist in initrd and then we have a random application in userland running python3Minimal which we don't really want to 😅14:40:52
@emilazy:matrix.orgemilyit's like the management port on DSA switches!14:40:56

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