| 28 Jul 2025 |
 emily | I think it is okay not to try and guard against everything as long as the obvious things are covered | 20:32:49 |
 Marcel | stuff like docker or libvirt managed interfaces should be there | 20:32:52 |
| emily | people can always run … some other random software that tries to tweak networking config :) | 20:32:55 |
| emily | and run into issues like that | 20:33:01 |
| emily | I would just assert on useDHCP and NetworkManager | 20:33:13 |
| Marcel | ok | 20:33:18 |
| emily | you could get fancy with config.systemd.network.{networks,netdevs,links} but I think it is not worth it | 20:33:55 |
| Marcel | but to do it corrently i also had to interpret the ignore section of ifstate | 20:34:21 |
| Marcel | * | 20:34:31 |
| emily | like | 20:36:15 |
| emily | you are also not asserting on networking.interfaces.* | 20:36:25 |
| emily | which can make scripted networking try to control things, even if useDHCP is off | 20:36:30 |
| emily | when we flip networking.useNetworkd on by default, that stuff will be backed by boot.initrd.systemd.network.enable | 20:36:32 |
| emily | but the semantics won't have changed | 20:36:33 |
 ElvishJerricco | I think it is safe to assume that if someone is enabling ifstate they are not configuring other network management tools, and therefore it's ok to only have the bare minimum of assertions to ensure that | 20:37:35 |
| 29 Jul 2025 |
| Marcel | Is there no systemd equivaltent to copy_bin_and_libs? When i use systemd.storePaths, the libs are missing. Because this is a python script it is quite annoying to specify every store path needed seperatly. | 06:49:34 |
| ElvishJerricco | In reply to @marcel:envs.net
Is there no systemd equivaltent to copy_bin_and_libs? When i use systemd.storePaths, the libs are missing. Because this is a python script it is quite annoying to specify every store path needed seperatly. I don't think we've ever tried to do Python in systemd initrd... that's indeed a new challenge. Likely the only reason it works in scripted is because it copies the whole Python program's closure, which would mean your initrd is drastically larger than necessary | 07:00:32 |
| ElvishJerricco | yea, indeed, copy_bin_and_libs ${getExe ifstate} on your branch results in a non-functional nuke-refs'd program, and using the program outside of extra-utils instead pulls in the whole closure for a whopping 75M of initrd size. | 07:22:17 |
| ElvishJerricco | * yea, indeed, copy_bin_and_libs ${getExe ifstate} on your branch results in a non-functional nuke-refs'd program, and using the program outside of extra-utils instead pulls in the whole closure for a whopping 75M increase of compressed initrd size. | 07:22:41 |
| ElvishJerricco | so getting python to behave well for initrd is going to be... tricky | 07:23:09 |
| ElvishJerricco | luckily systemd initrd gives you more control over this sort of thing, but I'm not sure what the right approach is going to be | 07:24:25 |
| Marcel | I mean Thomas is planing on rebuilding ifstate in rust because it's currently kind of slow of you use it on conjunction with keepalived. But this will probably take two years or so | 07:29:25 |
 K900 | I feel like it might be easier to switch to networkd | 07:29:46 |
| K900 | Than it is to coerce ifstate into running in initrd | 07:29:53 |
| ElvishJerricco | I'm assuming python is too dynamic-brained to be able to statically determine which python files are needed by a given program? | 07:36:28 |
| ElvishJerricco | well, I guess that's only a fraction of the problem, since you still need to include native libs and the interpreter and all that. Yea this sounds like pain | 07:37:40 |
| K900 | Yeah | 07:37:57 |
| Marcel | In reply to @elvishjerricco:matrix.org
yea, indeed, copy_bin_and_libs ${getExe ifstate} on your branch results in a non-functional nuke-refs'd program, and using the program outside of extra-utils instead pulls in the whole closure for a whopping 75M of initrd size. Is there a reason why copy_bin_and_libs should not be working with systemd stage one? | 07:39:52 |
| ElvishJerricco | copy_bin_and_libs is a extra-utils thing, which is not how systemd initrd defines its binaries. | 07:40:42 |
| ElvishJerricco | See: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/build-support/kernel/make-initrd-ng/README.md | 07:40:44 |
