| 29 Jun 2025 |
 Zhaofeng Li | it's also an escape hatch in case you end up hating ifstate and want to go back | 02:20:46 |
 hexa (clat on linux when) | I get the appeal, but these are APIs we will not be able to deprecate | 02:21:37 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | even if they are bad | 02:21:40 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | like network.interfaces 😄 | 02:21:43 |
 emily | is it that bad in the useNetworkd form? | 02:22:17 |
| emily | ah, I guess you said as much | 02:22:33 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | there was something weird about that option that I don't remember anymore | 02:22:44 |
| emily | pretty much guaranteed to end up hellish due to impedance mismatches for API surfaces that big | 02:23:03 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) |
Note that this option is experimental, enable at your own risk.
| 02:23:08 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | for useNetworkd 😄 | 02:23:14 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | thanks linus | 02:23:17 |
| emily | I think it was very near "switched on by default" stage at some point? | 02:23:49 |
| emily | and then that just didn't happen | 02:23:55 |
| emily | shim code for the options is certainly better than keeping scripted networking around indefinitely I think | 02:24:19 |
| emily | I think probably most people using networkd are using it through useNetworkd | 02:24:44 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/tasks/network-interfaces-systemd.nix | 02:25:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | basically an implementation that needs to be worked at for changes on both sides | 02:26:34 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | frankly, I don't get why people hate networking so much | 02:26:44 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | most boxes have just a wan interface and throwing static addresses and a gateway on it isn't hard | 02:27:07 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | or do dhc | 02:27:13 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * or do dhcp | 02:27:14 |
| emily | I think useDHCP is a sufficient compatibility shim for probably the majority of NixOS boxes in existence | 02:27:32 |
| emily | but in the absence of scripted networking I don't think this file is too bad either, it is mostly just simple option mapping | 02:28:03 |
| emily | that openvswitch stuff is awful though :) | 02:28:10 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | it feels like a code drop introducing technical debt for the most part | 02:29:07 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | the awful part is that people will never migrate away from network.interfaces that way | 02:29:24 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * the awful part is that people will never migrate away from networking.interfaces that way | 02:29:44 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | like, what would be so hard about just running networking.dhcpcd.enable with allowInterfaces = [ "eth0" ] instead of useDHCP? | 02:30:35 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | and why the hell is it usedhcp? | 02:30:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * and why the hell is it useDHCP? | 02:31:19 |
