| 21 Aug 2021 |
 matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Bitcoin has very little to do with graphics cards anyway. | 04:16:23 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Or coal, frankly. That's just a misunderstanding of the industry, which basically everyone has, because everyone loves to have an opinion about things they've not really been involved in. | 04:16:45 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Like NixOS, people love to chime in and say it's garbage without ever having used it. | 04:16:56 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Or LISP. People love to chime in about how superior it is, despite never having used it. | 04:17:07 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | You, right now, are chiming in about Bitcoin, with it seems no actual understanding of how it works. You don't even know graphics cards are not part of it in the modern day. | 04:17:52 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And maybe open your mind to the fact that things are dynamic and not fixed, because things do change, including the sources of energy used to mine it. | 04:18:16 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And that articles are written about how it's used for nefarious things, just as the internet itself was once slandered for similar offenses (porn, drugs, weapons, black market bla bla). | 04:18:56 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | All in all, what you've so far stated doesn't seem to hold any water. | 04:19:23 |
 6aa4fd | you realize you didn't actually explain why i was wrong, you just told me i was and complained about the misunderstandings of people totally unrelated to me? | 04:20:13 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I have already explained why you were wrong. I added to what I said. | 04:20:34 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I can't prove to you that graphics cards aren't being used in the mining process. I can't prove to you that coal isn't the primary source of power. It requires you do to your own research. | 04:21:10 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | And in fact, the onus is upon you to prove to me that those things are the case, not for me to prove to you that they are not. | 04:21:22 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | So all your left with is your own bias, | 04:21:37 |
| 6aa4fd | there isn't any onus on either of us, we aren't in a court dude, we are having a conversation | 04:22:20 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Alright. | 04:22:38 |
| 6aa4fd | where my goal hasn't been to try and beat you over the head with some kind of perceived intellectual original sin, but to challenge your beliefs in what i feel has been, up to a point, a polite way | 04:22:55 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | Well I'm a bit bored now, this isn't the right channel for it anyway, I don't find what you're saying on the topic very interesting anymore. | 04:23:00 |
| 6aa4fd | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Well I'm a bit bored now, this isn't the right channel for it anyway, I don't find what you're saying on the topic very interesting anymore. and i find myself sincerely hoping you learn how to make a conversation informative, how did we go from me teaching you that 6in4 is a tunnel, to you trying to give me a lesson in epistemology | 04:26:51 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I am not trying to inform you of anything. I'm sorry you feel that way. | 04:27:22 |
| matthewcroughan - nix.zone | I will be more careful about engaging in a conversation about that sort of thing with you again in the future. | 04:27:50 |
| 6aa4fd | my mentality is always to be informative or supportive if I am speaking to someone. but I am also aware my tone goes out the window when I get frustrated, so I apologize. I wish you the best with your ipv6 project | 04:31:53 |
 eyJhb | In reply to @6aa4fd:tchncs.de
it empowers people who can afford expensive graphics cards in areas served by coal fired power plants, i don't even think this point is relevant but the idea that bitcoin is democratic really pisses me off We have quite a lot of coal power plants in DK, but there are so many taxes added to each kWh that bitcoin mining will just loose you money 🙃 | 07:02:12 |
| 6aa4fd | In reply to @eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
We have quite a lot of coal power plants in DK, but there are so many taxes added to each kWh that bitcoin mining will just loose you money 🙃 denmark? is that for carbon tax? | 07:14:33 |
| eyJhb | In reply to @6aa4fd:tchncs.de
denmark? is that for carbon tax? Everything they can think of, they tax. Also, it is hidden under state taxes... Usually they just have "transport" tax + PSO tax + electricity tax (as well)... One kWh where I get electricity is 0.28 EUR | 07:19:41 |
| 6aa4fd | In reply to @eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
Everything they can think of, they tax. Also, it is hidden under state taxes... Usually they just have "transport" tax + PSO tax + electricity tax (as well)... One kWh where I get electricity is 0.28 EUR wow, we have fully renewable here for about both that much | 07:21:26 |
| 6aa4fd | California = here | 07:21:45 |
| eyJhb | Well, I think you can get something cheaper that is fully renewable as well. But... There are so many companies trying to screw you over, that I am unsure if they can be trusted :D | 07:22:22 |
| eyJhb | But generally I would expect the US to be cheaper on such things. ie. your gasoline is basically pennies you pay as far as I remember | 07:22:58 |
| eyJhb | 1 gallon of petrol is 6.12 EUR | 07:23:46 |
| 6aa4fd | In reply to @eyjhb:eyjhb.dk
1 gallon of petrol is 6.12 EUR we get if for maybe 15% cheaper in California, 4.799 usd | 07:33:36 |
