| 12 Dec 2025 |
 emily | yeah | 13:56:08 |
| emily | well I don't like the module system anyway, it's too global. throws away half of the properties that make Nix nice for package graphs. | 13:56:34 |
 KFears (burnt out) | I really like modules. Functional package graphs get weird and very global when splicing and pkgsStatic and build variants become a thing | 16:06:05 |
| emily | I don't think the module system solves the issue of variant sets | 16:24:52 |
| emily | (it just doesn't really have to deal with it in practice since people do the equivalent thing with NixOS much less, although still not zero) | 16:25:33 |
| emily | the equivalent of NixOS modules for the package set would be if every package definition in Nixpkgs could monkey-patch any other package arbitrarily | 16:26:32 |
 llakala | In reply to @emilazy:matrix.org
well I don't like the module system anyway, it's too global. throws away half of the properties that make Nix nice for package graphs. i will plug my fav alternate module system | 18:17:22 |
| llakala | https://github.com/adisbladis/adios | 18:17:42 |
| llakala | it's basically what I always wanted in a module system | 18:18:20 |
| llakala | where it only evaluates the modules you actually use | 18:18:35 |
| llakala | i did some eval profiling for my use of it and it only adds about 2% extra evaluation time - the rest is just from the drvs | 18:19:43 |
| llakala | since the docs are pretty barebones (something I'm hoping to fix), you can see real-world usage here https://github.com/llakala/nixos/tree/6e15be6cae6a9051f763e34ae711460751672df7/wrappers | 18:20:41 |
| llakala | modules can read from the config values in another module, and with my new PR, you can even mutate another modjle | 18:22:05 |
| llakala | * modules can read from the config values in another module, and with my new PR, you can even mutate another module | 18:22:11 |
| llakala | but both of those are done with explicit dependency relationships | 18:22:34 |
| llakala | i think of it as "a recursive `callPackage` set on steroids" | 18:23:31 |
| emily | looks interesting, thanks | 18:42:00 |
| emily | I definitely hate the global namespace / lack of POLA a lot more than the monoid, so it's nice to see something tackling that | 18:42:35 |
 iggle | I believe those considerations and the inspiration of cue lead the tweag people to start nickel. | 20:51:58 |
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 Rutile (Commentator2.0) feel free to ping | which nix implementations exist beside lix, snix and cppnix? | 11:27:56 |
 Cyrill | This https://tvix.dev/ , but I'm unsure how far along it is. | 11:29:33 |
 K900 | Snix is a Tvix fork | 11:37:45 |
| K900 | I'm not aware of anything that made significant progress outside of Tvix and the multiple cppnix forks | 11:38:02 |
 kloenk | There is a like 4-5 years old experiment to create just the Daemon in rust but it never got further then accepting nars | 12:04:24 |
 griff | Which project are you thinking of? There are a few implementations of the Daemon protocol in various states of completion. | 12:06:42 |
