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| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 8 Sep 2023 | ||
| they seem to be auto-hidden due to 'community flags', ie. a number of people flagging it | 16:03:42 | |
| I might've even made this topic worse by my posts. | 16:03:48 | |
| based on the automated messages I have gotten from Discourse | 16:03:52 | |
| (and I have a pretty good idea of why that happened) | 16:04:03 | |
| People with moderation rights can easily override the results of flagging. And often discourse pings them anyway if it's uncertain whether to hide posts or not. Or something like that (I have moderation rights on a different discourse instance). | 16:05:24 | |
| yeah, that is why I have not been loudly complaining about the flagging; I'm waiting to see if a moderator resolves the issue | 16:05:57 | |
| Right now people are busy with NixCon, so I don't expect the moderation team to be reacting within an hour. | 16:06:03 | |
| I could close it. I seem to have permissions for that, but I doubt it would help significantly. | 16:06:46 | |
| Usually someone opens another related topic and it's even worse. | 16:07:36 | |
| I think closing it would only help if a) there was a specified time period for which the topic as a whole were banned forum-wide, after which it will be considered when more moderator capacity is available, and b) that were actually enforced on new threads as well | 16:09:21 | |
| under any other circumstances, yeah, I expect it to just get worse | 16:09:38 | |
| (like, "this will be closed for the next N days until nixcon is over and moderators can dig into what happened" or so) | 16:10:15 | |
| I think the closing of the thread was the best choice. It’s clear there are fundamental disagreements about how the world does and should work, and continuing to take jabs at and build intolerance towards each other is not good for the community. While I know where I stand, it’s clear to me that the thread was never going to provide any sort of resolution. I will say, for my part, I’m sorry if I participated in furthering the divide. | 16:48:32 | |
In reply to @vcunat:matrix.orgWe do follow the situation as much as we do FWIW | 16:51:00 | |
| 17:54:45 | ||
| +1 to joepie91 🏳️🌈's assessment. I don't want to speak too much outside my experience as a privileged tech dude, but I'm going to go ahead and try to provide some more perspective. If I get something wrong please feel free to correct me (you can DM me or call me out publicly) and I'll remove/amend what I've put here. What many of us are missing is that concern trolling and debate (I.e. arguing to win) tactics are often used to further silence marginalized people. If you spend a large amount of your life with dogwhistles and bad faith arguments directed at you then they start having a certain overpowering loudness to them. The worst part is to most people on the outside these tactics look benign, even when they're used to shut down the voices of those who are marginalized. Let's also not pretend that everyone in the Nixos community is privileged or safe from conflict, even in the privileged US I have trans friends who are very rightly concerned about being in a literal firing line (state sanctioned or otherwise), and coworkers who fled to the United States from actual warzones. And about the people making the arguments that they are going to be silenced by some leftist thought police: Well in some senses they are, depending how far down the rabbit hole they've gone. But I'd bet that 90% of people who raise this concern in good faith would never actually be censored, they just don't like the idea that maybe one day they might be called out and held accountable for what they say. And, like, not even in a bad way necessarily. Usually when I'm "held accountable for what I've said" it ends with me being much more enlightened about the issues others face; and the people I hurt feeling heard and respected by both me and the community we share. It's not like I'm driven out with pitchforks and torches with no chance for an apology or to clear up miscommunication. So all that is to say I consider "calling out the individual actions that drive marginalized people away" far more palatable than "protecting the voices of those doing the driving away". | 19:52:10 | |
| I'm repeatedly confused by these mentions of "marginalization" in context of that discourse thread, but I guess it's just me. | 20:08:18 | |
| * I'm repeatedly confused by these mentions of "marginalization" in context of that discourse thread, but I guess it's just me 🤷 | 20:08:26 | |
| if a specific thing is unclear, then the fastest path to an answer is to ask a clear question | 20:10:43 | |
| as in, if you don't elaborate on what exactly you're confused about, then there's also not going to be any opportunity for anyone to clarify it | 20:11:52 | |
| I'm sorry. I won't try. | 20:14:54 | |
| I'm afraid of making things worse. | 20:15:03 | |
| Let me focus on technical things instead. I'm no good with resolving people conflicts. | 20:16:28 | |
| two thoughts on that:
| 20:18:46 | |
| Yes. Perhaps I shouldn't have commented that I don't understand when I'm not willing to work to resolve it. | 20:19:57 | |
| But I can't really undo it now. | 20:20:17 | |
| right, of course. I'm saying this more as feedback to avoid reoccurrence in the future | 20:20:40 | |
| but thanks, that is indeed what I meant | 20:20:48 | |
| * But I can't really undo it now. It should suffice that others understand this, the moderation team in particular. | 20:22:19 | |
| (the same feedback also applies to other folks who have done the same thing over the past $time, as this has been a somewhat frequent occurrence in community-related discussions around Nix) | 20:22:54 | |