| 16 Nov 2023 |
 problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
From a nix person perspective the blog read out as "How come my thing that is worse and not that innovative (Ilan's perspective) is not getting as much love and funding as the other person's thing that is actually innovative and not build upon the same ancient traditional Linux concept of package management" yes, because you're biased to thinking that anything not-nix is not worth your time.q | 19:32:45 |
| problems | * yes, because you're biased to thinking that anything not-nix is not worth your time. | 19:32:46 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | I think the tone is not great (and have also told the author as such) but there are legitimate criticisms in there either way, about the (lack of) communication from NGI | 19:32:58 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | * I think the tone is not great (and have also told the author as such) but there are legitimate criticisms in there either way, about the (lack of) communication and explanation from NGI | 19:33:07 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | it's not either/or | 19:33:20 |
 Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | But honestly if It is truly innovative and worthy of being funded, I wouldn't be making it part of Arch which is already known (to the funders) as something not that innovative | 19:33:27 |
| problems | i don't care about the tone. the article is well written and brings forward legitimate concerns | 19:33:31 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | I heard a bit from this from Ryan at oceansprint, my thoughts haven't changed that much after reading the blog | 19:34:20 |
| problems | Ilan, i really don't like that you keep straw-manning the arch proposals without having read them. none of us know what they were or why they were rejected, and making stuff up about how you think they're garbage is just rude | 19:34:41 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | It's hard to point the finger and say "look, they have some unspoken connections with the NixOS foundation" when it very much could be just merit-based and that they just think Nix is better. | 19:35:27 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | (sidenote: NGI is EU-funded, and as such it is IMO reasonable-by-default to expect transparency on decisionmaking, even if I don't expect it to be 'objective') | 19:35:34 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
Ilan, i really don't like that you keep straw-manning the arch proposals without having read them. none of us know what they were or why they were rejected, and making stuff up about how you think they're garbage is just rude Criticism acknowledged. | 19:35:56 |
| problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
It's hard to point the finger and say "look, they have some unspoken connections with the NixOS foundation" when it very much could be just merit-based and that they just think Nix is better. it could be but it could also not be, and the point is to figure out which. | 19:35:57 |
| problems | to presume the answer is idiotic | 19:36:26 |
| problems | sorry, i don't know a better word right now than that | 19:36:44 |
| problems | i don't mean to call you an idiot | 19:37:16 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is solution. | 19:37:30 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | In reply to @kity:kity.wtf
i don't mean to call you an idiot For a moment I did not think that you're calling me that. | 19:38:01 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | * As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is the better technology. | 19:38:19 |
| problems | In reply to@kranzes:matrix.org
As you said, I know and contribute to Nix, so of course I am more likely to assume it's just merit-based because in my opinion nix is the better technology. yep, that's exactly why we have to always take criticism like this seriously, because we are blinded by our biases | 19:38:45 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Arch vs Nix biasness, let's bring out OpenBSD or Windows as the judge 😆 | 19:39:48 |
| problems | i dunno about openbsd but i would love to see a windows user's face melt off from linux exposure | 19:41:23 |
| problems | you try to explain to them what is declarative and what is imperative and they just go "can it play valorant?" | 19:42:19 |
| problems | you explain fervently that valorant would work just great if they didn't have that panoptical, fascistic anticheat but their eyes are already glazed over. then they ask you if you know anything about voicemeeter banana | 19:44:32 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | That's concerningly on-point | 19:46:52 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Some of the calculations of how many Nix projects got funding are not exactly accurate I think | 19:53:09 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | Like there's dream2nix and dream2nix-python | 19:53:28 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | They're probably under the same project | 19:53:43 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | It's best to ask @DavHau for confirmation though | 19:54:17 |
| Ilan Joselevich (Kranzes) | How many of those listed are actually tied to each other | 19:56:14 |
