| 8 Sep 2023 |
 @joepie91:pixie.town | Arian: I want some actual effective action and/or support around the community safety issues, instead of the constant "🤷 well they're just opinions, nothing we can do about it" | 10:17:59 |
 vcunat | In reply to @arianvp:matrix.org
I want clarity on the first one as well . Would love to see a more complete statement of the situation I agree that both need to be figured out somehow. And I don't think it will be easy. | 10:18:27 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | the sponsorship itself is a separate matter, and I am awaiting the statement on the matter; this is entirely about the community safety issues | 10:18:29 |
 Arian | Okay so you want that discussion to be more heavily moderated so that it can happen safely? | 10:18:52 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | that would have been a way to prevent RFC98 from becoming the shitshow that it did, for example, yes | 10:19:25 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | but I am not asking for one specific singular action | 10:19:46 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | I am asking for a commitment to take future actions and/or provide support where necessary to address these community safety issues, and to put a stop to the constant sabotaging | 10:20:28 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | which exact form that takes will depend on the specific case | 10:20:38 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | and recognizing that murder machine apologists are not, in fact, people who create a safe environment for marginalized folks (who are disproportionately on the receiving end of said murder machines) would be a minimal first step | 10:21:35 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | like, to put it more bluntly: the comments in that forum thread are damning evidence of just how comfortable a number of community members feel in actively defending a murder machines company that, among other things, kills immigrants at the border | 10:23:41 |
| Arian | Okay but what part of the discussion is making you feel unsafe? That there are people who are pro-military? I'm afraid this is an extremely high bar to reach. Especially in the current situation of having Europe being attacked by a literal fascist terrorist state I think support for military is quite high in society.
I do think that making our community a safe space from military conflict is a low bar that we should be able to decide on and can make a policy pushing forward.
But if discussing the topic on its own is already problematic then I don't know how we can come to a decision on that. | 10:23:28 |
| vcunat | Well, whenever there's a strong call to refuse someone from a huge community, it very often happens that some other members would push back. | 10:23:52 |
| Arian | * Okay but what part of the discussion is making you feel unsafe? That there are people who are pro-military? I'm afraid this is an extremely high bar to reach. Especially in the current situation of having Europe being attacked by a literal fascist terrorist state I think support for military is quite high in society.
I do think that making our community a safe space from military conflict is a low bar that we should be able to decide on and can make a policy pushing forward. E.g. not associate with military af all
But if discussing the topic on its own is already problematic then I don't know how we can come to a decision on that. | 10:23:57 |
| vcunat | Moderators could've locked the discussion a bit earlier 🤷 | 10:24:15 |
| @joepie91:pixie.town | vcunat: funnily enough that only seems to happen when the 'someone' is a privileged tech dude | 10:24:28 |
| vcunat | But what else? | 10:24:20 |
| vcunat | No, I disagree there. | 10:24:41 |
| vcunat | That's basic human psychology. | 10:24:47 |
| vcunat | Some people have tendency to defend those who get attacked, often even if the attack is justified. | 10:25:19 |
